ex-xian

Which was what exactly? On the OP you indicated that all of us had never dedicated any serious time to bible study.
My own experience, as well as many others, falsified that claim.

Then you said that one must have the right "heart condition" to understand the bible:
This is analogous to the spiritual experience argument, in that the answer is the same. I could say that you must have the right "heart condition" to understand the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, or Greek mythology. What makes your claim any more valid than mine?

Then you made an appeal to authority:
There are just as many Bible scholars who came to the opposite conclusion. So much for that one.

Then you say you have over 31,000 problems in the bible, of which you refuse to discuss any, and conclude with an insult to the entire body of members at II.

Unfortunately, nothing you've said or done is unique or new. So I ask again, what was your purpose and what had you promised to do?

Jorge

Originally posted by ex-xian

Which was what exactly? On the OP you indicated that all of us had never dedicated any serious time to bible study.

That is patently false. Read the OP again - I asked, I did not "indicate". How the heck would I know what a bunch of total strangers have and haven't done with their lives?

My own experience, as well as many others, falsified that claim.

So? You accused me of a falsehood and then declared me guilty. You expecting a medal?

Then you said that one must have the right "heart condition" to understand the bible:

Yup, that I did say.

This is analogous to the spiritual experience argument, in that the answer is the same. I could say that you must have the right "heart condition" to understand the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, or Greek mythology. What makes your claim any more valid than mine?

The analogy is nonsense. Aligning oneself with a falsehood by way of the "right heart condition" doesn't do anything. It'd be like believing in Santa Claus : he's not going to show with presents just because you believe in him.

Then you made an appeal to authority:

No, that's just the way you took it (I wonder why?). I presented what I did merely to point out the facts, not as an appeal to authority.

There are just as many Bible scholars who came to the opposite conclusion. So much for that one.

True. This proves nothing which is why the argument doesn't buy either side anything.

Then you say you have over 31,000 problems in the bible, of which you refuse to discuss any, and conclude with an insult to the entire body of members at II.

False again. I didn't want to discuss any because - and I expressed this in another post - the core issue here at II isn't individual Bible discrepancies but rather a more profound and serious matter. Nonetheless, I agreed to discuss one when I returned. That was what I had "promised".

Unfortunately, nothing you've said or done is unique or new.

Wasn't it the Preacher that said, "There is nothing new under the sun."?

So I ask again, what was your purpose and what had you promised to do?

My "purpose" was to try and show how very wrong people like those that congregate at places like II are regarding alleged Bible discrepancies.

My "promise" was to supply one example. Look for it.

Jorge

Doctor X

Interesting, so much verbage but no refutation of the contradictions and errors given.

So much for that.

--J.D.

ex-xian

Ok. I'll just let your own words speak for themselves:
Then you said that one must have the right "heart condition" to understand the bible:
Begging the question. You're assuming that all except the bible are falsehoods, which is the point of the argument.

If you didn't cite them to strengthen your position, them explain why did you.

Yes, this was my point.

Well you only made two other posts since you've "been back" and I've only seen insults. Since I'm not going to wade through 6+ pages, why don't you restate it?

Jorge

Say WHAT? :banghead:

Oh well, just as I expected! Thanks for not disappointing me, 'Doctor X'.

Jorge

viscousmemories

No, no, DoctorX... wait! He's got one! He's putting it together as we speak! That's right, folks! Step right up! Somehow Jorge has managed to settle on one of the more than 31,000 discrepancies (that he is personally aware of) in the book on which he has based his entire life, and he's going to argue it here with all of us. This is a great gift Jorge is going to give us, because you see there is a virus in the hearts of we who participate in the discussions here which is at the core of what is wrong with humanity, and Jorge has been sent by the Holy Christian God™ to guide us to the light. Therefore now, after only six pages of discussion, he is making a rather bold compromise to actually address one of the points he made in starting this thread.

I know I for one and pretty damn excited about that. I can't wait to watch this. Oh, wait. Yeah, no you're probably right. He's probably just going to create and attack some other strawman that diverts attention from the fact that he's really no scholar at all, just another fundie trying to take over the flock of Infidels for bonus points with his god. Too bad. I had really hoped he'd come through. Or at least "move on".

Excellent summary, ex-xian. Unfortunately Jorge didn't really come here to debate anything, he's just a lowly human being with a divine mission direct from the master of the universe. This particular comment of his: is one of a couple slips he's made since coming here that indicate that his real purpose here, above all else, is to "save" us. I think it's just pathetic that someone would pose as a person interested in debate just to spew their self-righteous, ego-maniacal fantasies, but I guess it takes all kinds to make the world go round, doesn't it?

Hey Jorge... hint on that last question: No, it doesn't. The presence of humans on the Earth doesn't have any impact on the fact that it spins around. You can learn that there kind of thing in one of them evil science books. I am personally aware of more than 31,000 such "facts". If you're interested in talking about them sometime beg and plead with me for a couple weeks and maybe I'll deign to address one. Maybe.

vm

Doctor X

Nor has "Jorge"--my such a wonderful wit, I shall have to remember the technique--put a username in quotations! Most singular!--disappointed by failing to resolve any of the contradictions.

Now that was the point, was it not? Even poor runner eventually crawl across the finishline.

viscousmemories:

Wait . . . this is REALLY funny . . .

"visciousmemories"

Right, the only question is whether or not this generatiion will pass before his actually addresses the topic rather than blather apology and various fallacies.

--J.D.

Darwin26

...Look Jorge, if Benny Hinn was here he'd cast out that "X" and "Viscous'" like they were Pigs ...and they run into the sea ...for it is written... they are but impudent heathens.
i didn't realize there were so many discrepencies in the work and word of Cod. i'm not sure i have time for a listing of all of them .
i'm not sure which one you're were going to address so maybe i can put in a request... i really enjoy anal sex but i have been told it's in the bible i shouldn't enjoy it but i'm sure it's okay to enjoy the fruits of Man and a Woman sharing themselves totally as gawd would have it i think, i hope... Boy if i could only be saved from the Hell that's coming if something i like is forbiden by Golly..
Jorge i hope you can shed some light on my dilemma...i mean what would jesis do...

ex-xian

Hey! What about me! I was to be cast out too!

Darwin26

i'm sorry "ex-" geeeeeze what was i think'n
OK now close your eyes as i lay my hands on your head!

OUT OF HIM OUT OF HIM OUT OF HIMOUTOFHIMOUTOFHIM

whhhhhheeeeeee now there ya go ya lil porker ...ride that wave of discrepencie... Hang TEN Ham ....sheeeeeeesh

Anyway Jorge, these non-believer science squids are caste into the sea... they are drowning and only a meaningful discrepencie will save me...