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enigma555 · 12-11-2002, 10:34 AM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/844789.asp?vts=121120021110" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.com/news/844789.asp?vts=121120021110</a>

Words cannot even describe my feelings. I think I'm going to vomit.

B34RZ0R · 12-11-2002, 12:52 PM

In my opinion (after reading that article.. or at least as much as I could stomach) the pope is now just as guilty as any of these pieces of crap that would do such a thing!
Child molesters and rapists should be punished to the most extreme extent the law provides!
A.K.A capital punishment

So simple

Bear
(edited because my initial response was innapropriate)

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: B34RZ0R ]</p>

Toto · 12-11-2002, 01:16 PM

Bear - I hope you would at least agree that capital punishment could only be administered after due process.

We'd like to discourage threats of violence on the board, even those not directed at particular persons or clearly rhetorical.

The issue here isn't what to do with child molesters. It is the Pope's insensitivity to the issue and his negligence in allowing child abuse to continue. It is highly unlikely that anyone is going to extradite the Pope for aiding and abetting a crime.

B34RZ0R · 12-11-2002, 01:21 PM

Of course I left that to be an assumption...
my bad..

dangin · 12-11-2002, 01:45 PM

Now that's a great idea. Let's extradite the pope. I love it. Best idea I've heard today.

In all seriousness, and a theoretical exercise, are there any grounds to do it?

Toto · 12-11-2002, 02:28 PM

There's a lawsuit that was filed recently charging the Catholic Church with running a criminal enterprise under RICO.

And we did extradite Noriega to stand trial on drug running. What's more serious, drugs or child rape?

PJPSYCO · 12-11-2002, 02:36 PM

Really, it should be quite obvious that the catholic church has no problem with peodophilia. It is based in Rome, and for the longest time pedophilia was a very large part of Roman culture. It was thought to be what people who had power were to have sex with small boys. Perhaps the church is right that pedophilia is our problem, we are opposed to its practice.

Toto · 12-12-2002, 12:09 AM

This is getting serious.

<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20021210_1151.html" target="_blank">The Roman Catholic Diocese of Manchester averted unprecedented criminal charges, agreeing in a settlement Tuesday that it probably would have been convicted of failing to protect children from sexually abusive priests</a>

Quote:

Showing off Bishop John B. McCormack's signature on the settlement, McLaughlin said: "The diocese acknowledges the state has evidence likely to sustain a conviction" under the state's child endangerment law.

abe smith · 12-17-2002, 08:07 AM

Time's short & I can't seem to find here or elsewhere the POPE's appalling comment (I saw in print about the weekend of the 15th).
IF I Am QUOTING HIM CORRECTLY. John Paul II said something blandly approximating that *preventing "scandal* to be overt about (our Holy Mother , my insert) the Church is the really-IMPORTANT thing; and that the (personal) injuries (of mind & body) done to the victims of sexual & other violations are really insignificant.
I never , NEVER heard any cleric state this principle so openly/baldfacedly before. It is breath-taking, is it not? Can anyone alive & conscious now doubt what "the Church"'s priorities really are? Nor doubt either the IDOLATRY of those who adore their own man-made THING?
Vomit, indeed.

beejay · 12-17-2002, 08:25 AM

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And we did extradite Noriega to stand trial on drug running. What's more serious, drugs or child rape?</strong>

Actually, I think we sent an armed force to kidnap Noriega. So let your imagination run wild...101st Airborne Division dropping into Vatican City...

12-11-2002, 10:34 AM	#1
enigma555 Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 282	Pedophile priest policy handed down from the Pope <a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/844789.asp?vts=121120021110" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.com/news/844789.asp?vts=121120021110</a> Words cannot even describe my feelings. I think I'm going to vomit.

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12-11-2002, 12:52 PM	#2
B34RZ0R Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lost in the Ether, Minnesota Posts: 1,436	In my opinion (after reading that article.. or at least as much as I could stomach) the pope is now just as guilty as any of these pieces of crap that would do such a thing! Child molesters and rapists should be punished to the most extreme extent the law provides! A.K.A capital punishment So simple Bear (edited because my initial response was innapropriate) [ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: B34RZ0R ]</p>

12-11-2002, 01:16 PM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Bear - I hope you would at least agree that capital punishment could only be administered after due process. We'd like to discourage threats of violence on the board, even those not directed at particular persons or clearly rhetorical. The issue here isn't what to do with child molesters. It is the Pope's insensitivity to the issue and his negligence in allowing child abuse to continue. It is highly unlikely that anyone is going to extradite the Pope for aiding and abetting a crime.

12-11-2002, 01:21 PM	#4
B34RZ0R Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Lost in the Ether, Minnesota Posts: 1,436	Of course I left that to be an assumption... my bad..

12-11-2002, 01:45 PM	#5
dangin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Middle, Kansas Posts: 2,637	Now that's a great idea. Let's extradite the pope. I love it. Best idea I've heard today. In all seriousness, and a theoretical exercise, are there any grounds to do it?

12-11-2002, 02:28 PM	#6
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	There's a lawsuit that was filed recently charging the Catholic Church with running a criminal enterprise under RICO. And we did extradite Noriega to stand trial on drug running. What's more serious, drugs or child rape?

12-11-2002, 02:36 PM	#7
PJPSYCO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rolla, Missouri Posts: 830	Really, it should be quite obvious that the catholic church has no problem with peodophilia. It is based in Rome, and for the longest time pedophilia was a very large part of Roman culture. It was thought to be what people who had power were to have sex with small boys. Perhaps the church is right that pedophilia is our problem, we are opposed to its practice.

12-17-2002, 08:07 AM	#9
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	Time's short & I can't seem to find here or elsewhere the POPE's appalling comment (I saw in print about the weekend of the 15th). IF I Am QUOTING HIM CORRECTLY. John Paul II said something blandly approximating that preventing "scandal to be overt about (our Holy Mother , my insert) the Church is the really-IMPORTANT thing; and that the (personal) injuries (of mind & body) done to the victims of sexual & other violations are really insignificant. I never , NEVER heard any cleric state this principle so openly/baldfacedly before. It is breath-taking, is it not? Can anyone alive & conscious now doubt what "the Church"'s priorities really are? Nor doubt either the IDOLATRY of those who adore their own man-made THING? Vomit, indeed.

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