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Old 07-18-2003, 10:48 PM   #21
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Well, having just come from working within the banking and financial advisement community here in NY, I can personally attest to the simple ways to hide money, number one of which is to magically instigate a whole switch over of bank ownership in the country; a multi-billion dollar shell game.

Hasn't anybody noticed all of the mergers and acquisitions that are taking place within the top corporate structures throughout all of this mess? What did any of you think was being done with all of the money that was put on hold all of a sudden? We haven't been in a "recession;" we've been in a holding pattern. Corporations simply stopped spending.

Many will say, "because of 911," but that's bullshite. Many will say, "it started under Clinton," and that's 100% correct. Under Clinton, in the Congress with the reform in accountancy regulations that allowed for Enron and Andersen and Halliburton, et al.

Look, all that's been happening in America is a fundamentallly fascistic (literally) restructuring of corporate idealogy. Yes, ideology.

Under Clinton, the ideology was spend and grow and expand and innovate. For all those who lost money on the so-called "dot com" blues, I'm sorry, but it is not over and never was over. It was deliberately feuled speculation; tossing these new chips in the air to see which would land upright so that mergers and acquisitions (takeovers, really) and fundamental restructuring could be implemented. You all just blew your loads on novelty, not function.

This is what I meant by the top five/two percent thinking; not in short term gain, but in long term stability...for themselves. Do you think the top five/two percent don't know how to keep their money; their monopoly; their place in the top five/two percent?



All it takes is the luxury of vision; of thinking in terms of what benefits will be reaped in ten years or twenty years or a hundred and fifty years. Nobody else thinks like this on purpose.

Who got fired? The people who were most talented and therefore the most threat. Who was retained? The people who will work late hours without expectation of compensation and don't mind doing the work of three or four others. The artisans, the marketing people, the creative elements; fired.

Why? Because they're the only ones that a corporation that is already huge doesn't need to employ. It can all be outsourced, thus shrinking the employment roster as well as the subsequent outsourcing companies; companies that can then be gobbled up under the umbrella. Diversity of company interaction results in, eventually, creating hundreds of splinter companies that will all be under the aegis (financially or directly) of the parent company, without being legally binding to the parent company.

Think about that and what it means, legally and governmentally. Through merger and acquisition, one company can not only maintain a monopoly, it can do so under the auspices of being "diversified." Wachovia merges with Offitbank and then First Union takes over Wachovia, which keeps certain companies more or less legally intact, so that First Union and Wachovia co-exist and trade off of each other's combined assets. Offitbank becomes another subsidiary, but still equal and able to boast the combined assets of all three.

Three companies able to market individualy and under the same umbrella; thus a single company once boasting the assets of say, ten billion dollars is now able to market (and establish lines of credit, where necessary) as a company with the net worth of fifty billion dollars. It's three-card monty on a billion dollar scale and the queen ain't there.

I think Chomsky was the one who said that if you want to find out what's really "news" in America, you should read the Wall Street Journal and he's absolutely right. Watch any financial news show (typically on Sunday mornings at 8:00 am) and you'll get the only real "news" being broadcast. Why? Because that kind of news effects the only percentage of people that actually matter in the world; the top five/two percent and they're all up that early on a Sunday to pretend to go to church or to go to church and pretend.

Actually, I would bet even money that those shows are more for the top fifteen/ten percent, but there you go. And, again, this isn't "theory;" it's a matter of public record and has been happening throughout our so-called "recession." Why do you think Greenspan is going to lower the interest rates again?

Restructuring. That's all it is and has been. And by that I mean, of course, management restructuring, so that management gets scared. Scare your management team and you'll be able to shake the tree down for all it's worth and then broker the right merger deal or justify your paycheck.

The difference (the analogy) is between professional athletes and the little leagues. Infrastructure in America (aka, "white collar workers") are currently the equivalent to anybody wearing glasses in Stalinist Russia; targeted for extermination.

Why? Because they're the ones who pose any kind of threat to the ruling elite that has just established open hunting season. It's as old as apple pie.

We are still living in a feudal system; indeed, never left it. Remember that it's the Republic of the United States of America, yes?

This has been another party political broadcast against no one in particular (no offense Bill) by the Thrill Kill Cult of Koy
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First rule of Koy's School of Coherent Ranting: You do not talk about Koy's School of Coherent Ranting!



But, seriously, don't. Dire consequences for non-compliance...though I'll take the 50, of course. Typing fee....
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I am not a conspiracy theorist. In fact, I'm pretty anti-conspiracy theory on damn near everything.


Yes, it is possible to develop a better system that would catch more of the criminals. But, it would involve a loss of individual privacy for every citizen, criminal or not. Most US citizens are more willing to tolerate the criminal element than they are to live "under the thumb of Big Brother." This is the age-old trade-off: personal security or personal privacy; you can't have both!

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Yes, thanks for that clarification Bill. I guess it would be more likely that fake businesses are the bigger villans.

Still, I think if half the energy directed to the average end user and his street dealer (like those Helicopters we have flying over us in California or Florida several times a day and night) was directed to those docks and borders, we wouldn't be seeing all the drugs get in. Some would, but seems to me the overall bulk of money and drugs would halt.
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Still, I think if half the energy directed to the average end user and his street dealer (like those Helicopters we have flying over us in California or Florida several times a day and night) was directed to those docks and borders, we wouldn't be seeing all the drugs get in. Some would, but seems to me the overall bulk of money and drugs would halt.
I love Oregon. No Helicopters, Death with Dignity, and Marijuana is our 3rd largest Cash Crop! (Right after hazel nuts and grass seed)
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