jman0904

I would scoff at the notion buuuuuut....
In 1999 the Taliban rule of Afghanistan outlawed the farming of poppies, and at the time Afgha. was the supplier of 3/4 of the world's poppies and narcotics. In 1998 the country grossed 4 billion dollars on the exportation of poppies (The year before the Tali's Ban [forgive the pun]). Now, at the end of 2002, Afgha. exported 4$ billion in poppies.
I wouldn't bring this up, except that with a president who (upon the definition of "did") did cocaine, it seems awfully ripe for a Conspiracy Theorist's wet dream.
Anyone else want to throw in on the loony toon train?

azazel

A lot of things are too strange too be believed. But nothing (following naturals laws) is too strange to have happened.

azazel

fuck no more drinking bfore loging on

Worldtraveller

It's kinda like when they suddenly look up with a surprised look on thier face and say "There's oil in Iraq?? I had no idea!!"

It's just coincidence.....


-Lane

Bill

Oh, given the stories about Bush Senior running drugs through Bill Clinton's stomping grounds of Mina, Arkansas, I suppose that adding Bush Junior to the conspiracy as the drug kingpin of Afghanistan wouldn't be much of a stretch at all......

== Bill

Krieger

Regarding Afghanistan, the last I heard US forces (with the Karzai puppet) control a small area around Kabul. But various (like 16, or something) warlords control the vast majority of the country. It wouldn't be to surprising if they farm particular illegal "cash crops" for profit, hehe.

Calzaer

It's MENA, Arkansas. Not "Mina", "Mena". I have relatives there.

And yes, that airport is creepy. I would not be at all surprised if SOMEONE was running drugs through there.

Koyaanisqatsi

But a good question would be, why is Afghanistan allowed to harvest and sell opiates? We are supposedly still in a "war;" the drug war, remember? Anybody old enough to remember that ongoing fake war, prior to this last one in a series?

We just sent troops into Afghanistan to try and get Bin Laden (still not found) and instigated a war (contradicting official US policy) to stop one guy from maybe doing something bad someday, possibly, in the future (and still not found).

When Japan surrendered, we turned it into America's military sabbatical playground and shopping mall. When Germany was defeated, we carved up everything they had (poorly, like before) and turned it into a Beatles training ground. Governments were puppetized (to coin a phrase) and social governing was (and still is) monitored and augmented.

Only when it comes to our "brown" neighbors in the mideast and southwest do we invade, destroy and then stand by, quietly scratching our military's hairy white ass, while our newly implanted, corrupt governments continue with business as usual just under (temporary) new management.

Of course Afghanistan is being allowed to make billions of dollars off of opiates. Who else is going to soon need to buy our weapons, once we've re-instated their credit in the world bank and artificially shifted allegiances around the way we have been doing for almost sixty years in the region? I mean, beside a newly rebuilt Iraq (but then, that's about ten years down the line acccording to the numbers, so we've got smaller fish to fry in the meantime; like Syria)?

Who else is going to completely miss out on the greatest global union ever possible when the Soviet Republic said, "King's X! Time out! We're done. Guys? Guys? We're done, ok?"
"You're done? Whaddya' mean, 'you're done?'"
"We're...we've....nyet. Nyet, tavarisch! Nyet!"
"Ummm....Hold on. I'm getting feedback from COMSACWHYNE....(to 'indecipherable') What? No, 'nyet.' They said, 'nyet, tavarisch, nyet.'.... Roger. (*clears throat*) We're going to have to go into our underground thinktanks and mull this over with Greenspan for a few decades. You guys just stay put, there and...don't sell any of the nukes, ok? I know it will be tempting, but we've all got haircut appointments and penis enlargers to purchase and we're pretty sure that somebody somewhere bad-touched our happy places once when we were kids. We're not saying who, but we think it was our Uncle, so just...stay...putin...put! We'll have our translators call your translators."

We're not talking about a couple of crazy hippies who are camped out in Oregon sending your brother a UPS ground every couple of months. The money that is being generated from opiate sales goes almost entirely to the governing bodies of Afghanistan in one way or another, just as it does here and in most governments throughout the world.

Think about it. Billions of dollars are to be made, if not hundreds of billions of dollars. We just instigated a war in order to secure Iraqi oil, worth arguably less than the combined sales of illicit drugs throughout the world and somebody's trying to say that the world governments aren't going to profit off of any of that?



What are you, f*cking nuts?

Here, it started under Reagan (surprise, surprise; though, arguably with Carter; even more surprise) with rewriting the laws, so that local and state police forces could profit off of the sale and capture of drugs and drug money and the houses and possessions of drug "lords," turning state police forces into paramilitary units--literally.

Who needs conspiracy theories, when the proof is no doubt circling your neighborhood in "stealth mode" right now?

When I first moved to Hollywood (yes, right off the 101) in '89, one of the first things that happened (two weeks after moving there) was to witness two (yes, two) cop cars jump the curb (I was using a payphone on the corner, since our phone hadn't been hooked up yet and this was way before cell phones for you kiddies playing along) and, with weapons drawn, the police officers stopped a mid-thirties jogger who had apparently been smoking a joint along the way and tossed it when he saw the cop car coming toward him.

That was it. Just jogging along, peaceful as could be, smoking a joint and that warranted two cop cars dramatically jumping the curb and drawing their weapons on an otherwise completely innocent man; doing no harm whatsoever to anybody else.

Why? He was dark skinned. Not necessarily "black," just with an afro and mustache in white jogging attire trotting along, minding his own business.

No children were in danger; no old people were in danger; no one was in danger, yet the police responded as if this guy were a threat to everyone around him.

Can you imagine what it would be like to be jogging along your regular jogging path that you've jogged countless times for months or years, only to toss out of your mouth a lozenge of some kind that had been irrationally declared illegal, only to have to stare at two police officers pointing a gun at you as if you were somehow dangerous; in need of possibly being shot to stop you?

I could have stopped this guy if he were any kind of threat, just by sticking out my foot and tripping the bastard.

Throughout that year, there were police helicopters literally sweeping the skies (and not just in Hollywood, but all over LA) every single night at about seven pm. This still goes on today, btw. On fridays and saturdays, three sweeps starting at seven and then continuing every two or three hours. And I don't just mean "flyby's" from on high; these guys would fly about twenty yards above the apartment line and have their piercing blue/white searchlights on, so that the entire apartment would light up like overexposed film. If you had a knife, you could cut it. For a good five minutes, too!

Had any of us, sitting peacefully in our homes and apartment complexes subjected to this nightly presence (Beverly Adjacent) done anything? No. Did that prevent the sorties? No.

And, btw, they were not in "stealth mode."

Think about that! Month after month after month after year of being treated by your own police force as if you were just about to do something; black, white, brown, yellow, human, there was no discrimination in general. A hell of a lot in specific, but not daily and anywhere around you (for the most part).

IMO, the riots that errupted after the Rodney King trial had little to nothing to do with the beating of Rodney King, I can personally attest to that. It had to do with an ever-present police state, constantly reminding the citizens--the overwhelming majority of which never did anything and never would do anything--that they were being watched and harassed and controlled when there was no reason to behave that way. I have news for anyone who thinks just "blacks" were looting and rioting. Rodney King was just a match and fire is fed by dried out, old, broken kindling.

And what was the almost decade-old paramilitary police force doing with all of its new high-tech weaponry and all of its new special forces training, purchased and funded by the "war on drugs?" Nothing. Not a goddamned thing. Let 'em burn.

They'd harass you day and night when you hadn't done a thing for months on end (at least in my limited case), but when it came to protecting your ass when the shit hit the fan? Nothing. Why? Because that's not what paramilitary troops are trained to do, and that's the key to the whole damned thing.

Police forces are trained to do that, but, at least in LA, the police had graduated up the military inculcation ladder and were, apparently and officially, above that.

And where does such a Jacob's ladder (just to throw the theists off guard) lead to, one might ask? Well, if Americans would stop thinking month to month (as most are conditioned to by the economy), or even year to year (as the top fifteen percent do) and actually start thinking the way the top five and two percent do (in five, ten, twenty, fifty and a hundred year blocks, at least), then the question would already be answered.

Almost everyone advising Bush on matters of foreign and domestic policy (save Condie) have been "advising" various Presidents for over twenty years, at the very least. Think about what that means in relation to how elected officials change guard every once in a while to, hopefully, insure a balance of power). They are all outside of voter jurisdiction and almost entirely shielded in one way or another from Congressional oversight, unless retroactively (i.e., post facto); i.e., they get caught.

This is not "theory;" it is a matter of public record. You don't "vote" for these people and their jobs are, for the most part, deliberately secret from your review. They are jobs of global importance, especially now that America is the only reigning power beside China and few if any of you know all of their names or responsibilities.

What do you know about them? Primarily, what six or maybe seven networks tell you about them in, at most, one or two time, ten minute interviews, which get cut down into ten second sound bites, repeated for about two to three weeks in diminishing returns.

That's it. That's the totality of what is deemed the "public's right to know." A total of ten seconds (remembered, two to three weeks--on average) after the initial broadcast.

Ten seconds of an entire declaration or speech regarding the most important aspects of life in your name. And you're expected (yes, expected) to vote accordingly. History has proven it again and again and again and again and yet again.

And what does get top billing over and over and over again by the most influential networks? Anything controversial, no matter what the truth will ultimately be (for either "side"). In short; pabulum. Pure and simple and no more effective. Pointless; irrelevant; sidetracking, pabulum. Nothing of substance; only that which tittilates for a few weeks, hopefully months.

Thus, a sitting President who did incredible things for the future or our country's citizens can be impeached on something that was never in the original "search warrant" afforded to a fifty million dollar, taxpayer-payed witch hunt, can somehow be overlooked when the constiution is shreaded on national TV by the only remaining, allegedly "supreme," court.

A bloodless and attested to, coup d'etat; arguably the first in modern history, if not the whole damn thing and nothing from the top seven most influential citizen notification channels.

Now, to you students of history, why would that be? What purpose does that serve?

I've posted the following anecdote before and I'll post it again (in fact, it's on my website on the "home page" once you enter, if you care):

Leave it to a Russian to know more about America than we, apparently, do.

Thus endeth the Sermon on the Minsk.

Farren

Koy, when you're good, you're very, very good.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Calzaer

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

I'm converting. You, Koy, are God.