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Starspun · 07-19-2002, 06:11 AM

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At the time of posting this, the pollsters want Israel to rebuild the temple because it will hasten the return of the messiah.
I was dumbfounded at first. I mean, you have to be really...theological to believe that statement, but then, I started chuckling. Chuckling didn't satiate my desire so I had to go straight to laughing. Here is why.
IF Israel rebuilds their temple, they would destroy the 3rd holiest site in Islam, thus, a war with the Arabs is a given.
IF Israel were to win, the temple would be built and after it's completion, *POOF*, a messiah appears.
Seeing how the messiah will not magically appear inside the temple, they will have to search for it out in the real world. And with the warped minds in the world, how many people will claim Messiahdom? I know I will.

Anywho, then they have to form a comittee to select the true messiah. Their messiah would surely follow the laws of the Torah(sp) which, would inflame the xtians because this of course isn't the Big J.C.
Since there can only be one true messiah, xtians and jews go into jihad mode against one another in what is know as the Messiah Consideration. Millions die in the cleansing, or Crusades as they become to be known. Jews lose (but not without substantial financial planning), at which time the xtians be-head the 'false' messiah and then choose their own human as supreme leader. Although this messiah can not perform miracles, he looks like Jesus, which, is good enough for the xtians. At that time, we shall see the heaven on Earth they have been promised.

[ July 19, 2002: Message edited by: Starspun ]</p>

freemonkey · 07-19-2002, 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by Starspun:
<strong> Millions die in the cleansing, or Crusades as they become to be known. </strong>

This part? This is this part that bugs me.

Starspun · 07-19-2002, 07:17 AM

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This part? This is this part that bugs me.

I know freemonkey, it bugs me too. How humans can do the unthinkable to one another in the name of religious fervor is beyond me. Perhaps if I am selected as the true messiah I can use my holiness to unite the two religions. I would need to find a way to bend truths and fabricate lies. Since this happens quite often in religion, it shouldn't be to hard.

Scotty · 07-19-2002, 08:46 AM

I would assume they would pick sextuplets for the messiah so they can have a bunch of ressurections. Or, once cloning is commonplace...

What other ideas will I come up with?

-Scott

ShottleBop · 07-19-2002, 03:23 PM

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IF Israel were to win, the temple would be built and after it's completion, *POOF*, a messiah appears.

Seeing how the messiah will not magically appear inside the temple, they will have to search for it out in the real world. And with the warped minds in the world, how many people will claim Messiahdom? I know I will.

Anywho, then they have to form a comittee to select the true messiah. Their messiah would surely follow the laws of the Torah(sp) which, would inflame the xtians because this of course isn't the Big J.C.

Since there can only be one true messiah, xtians and jews go into jihad mode against one another in what is know as the Messiah Consideration.

It is highly unlikely that Jewish people would go to war with Christians over the identity of a putative Messiah. First, even those Jews who support the idea of rebuilding the Temple, despite the fact that it would surely precipitate war with the Muslim nations, don't necessarily believe that it will precipitate the coming of the Messiah. See, for example, the discussion at <a href="http://www.templeinstitute.org/faqs/messiah-or-temple-faq.html" target="_blank">Temple Institute</a>:

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There are no Biblical verses that make a connection between the building of the Holy Temple and the arrival of the messiah.

Secondly, the "Messiah" of the Jews is a very different person than is the Christ of Christians (from <a href="http://www.lttn.org/R3_Article3_JewishViewOfMessiah.htm" target="_blank">The Rabbi Responds</a> (please note, this comes from an Orthodox Jewish site, and, as such represents a traditional Jewish interpretation of the issues addressed; it does not represent the views of all Jewish people):

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Many Christians pose the question, “why don’t you accept Jesus as the messiah?” But to us it is not a simple question of ‘accepting’ or not. Now first of all, before we even get off the ground with our discussion, we must realize that the concept ‘messiah’ seems to mean different things to us. Jews do not believe that the Messiah is a part of G-d, or Divine in any way, more than any other person. No indication of this can be found in the Old Testament, since this is not a Jewish concept. We look only to G-d for our salvation, and when the time comes for Him to bring the anointed king, then it shall happen. But we do not concern ourselves with the messiah’s identity - for he is a person (as we have written, and continue to expound, in the “Countdown to Redemption” column in this publication) and his coming does not change the essence of our relationship with G-d - the most important fact of life there is. We do not accept the notion that Scripture “foretells” that G-d would robe Himself in flesh. We believe that this idea is the very embodiment of idolatry, and we must give our very lives to make a stand against it... as indeed we Jews have always done throughout the ages.

According to the prophets of the Bible, amongst the most basic missions of the messiah are:

to cause all the world to return to G-d and His teachings,

to restore the royal dynasty to the descendants of David,

to oversee the rebuilding of Jerusalem, including the Temple, in the event that it has not yet been rebuilt;

to gather the Jewish people from all over the world and bring them home to the Land of Israel,

and to reestablish the sanhedrin,

restore the sacrificial system,

as well as the Sabbatical year and Jubilee.

. . .

We have already written in these pages that we believe that the messiah, sent by G-d Al-mighty, is not G-d, but a human being - but the greatest leader and wisest teacher who ever lived. He will put his extraordinary talents to use to precipitate a worldwide revolution which will bring perfect justice and harmony to humanity. Please understand that several rabbis state that the historical Jesus - not the mangod Christianity made him into - did accomplish a great deal in turning people away from idolatry and towards a more authentic knowledge of G-d. But he did not claim the role which was given him by the early church fathers, nor do these rabbis ascribe any role to him. He has no connection with authentic Jewish thought. For reasons of space, this is not the proper format to enter into a lengthy debate or disputation on every possible Biblical verse - BUT I AM PREPARED TO DO SO - although at Light to the Nations, we prefer to stress that which we share, and unite around what should be our common goal: Greater knowledge of G-d and hastening the Redemption. Nor is this the proper time for me to put forth every aspect of this discussion.

I could be wrong, but as I understand the concept, if the Jews find themselves going to war with the Christians over the identity of the Jewish Messiah, they will have been proved to have been mistaken about the person they thought to be the Messiah.

[ July 19, 2002: Message edited by: ShottleBop ]</p>

07-19-2002, 06:11 AM	#1
Starspun Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 334	A w.n.d. poll <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/index.asp?VIEW_RESULTS=Y" target="_blank">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/index.asp?VIEW_RESULTS=Y</a> At the time of posting this, the pollsters want Israel to rebuild the temple because it will hasten the return of the messiah. I was dumbfounded at first. I mean, you have to be really...theological to believe that statement, but then, I started chuckling. Chuckling didn't satiate my desire so I had to go straight to laughing. Here is why. IF Israel rebuilds their temple, they would destroy the 3rd holiest site in Islam, thus, a war with the Arabs is a given. IF Israel were to win, the temple would be built and after it's completion, POOF, a messiah appears. Seeing how the messiah will not magically appear inside the temple, they will have to search for it out in the real world. And with the warped minds in the world, how many people will claim Messiahdom? I know I will. Anywho, then they have to form a comittee to select the true messiah. Their messiah would surely follow the laws of the Torah(sp) which, would inflame the xtians because this of course isn't the Big J.C. Since there can only be one true messiah, xtians and jews go into jihad mode against one another in what is know as the Messiah Consideration. Millions die in the cleansing, or Crusades as they become to be known. Jews lose (but not without substantial financial planning), at which time the xtians be-head the 'false' messiah and then choose their own human as supreme leader. Although this messiah can not perform miracles, he looks like Jesus, which, is good enough for the xtians. At that time, we shall see the heaven on Earth they have been promised. [ July 19, 2002: Message edited by: Starspun ]</p>

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Scotty Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: OutBound Posts: 804	I would assume they would pick sextuplets for the messiah so they can have a bunch of ressurections. Or, once cloning is commonplace... What other ideas will I come up with? -Scott

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