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Old 06-03-2002, 08:43 PM   #31
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QoS, why do you hate God so much?
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Old 06-03-2002, 08:51 PM   #33
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whats wrong with the truth?? Find out and BANG its
out of the garden for you!! Find the truth about the bible and BANG, people put shit on you!! I rekon that jesus understood the truth about the stories he grew up with-people can't think for themselves so " he's the messiah!!" sure he existed and stuff but prove he was the son of god from history-not some sh**house book that's full of holes!!! I have now reached the understanding and point of the bible. The truth shall set you free eh...
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<strong>whats wrong with the truth?? Find out and BANG its
out of the garden for you!! Find the truth about the bible and BANG, people put shit on you!! I rekon that jesus understood the truth about the stories he grew up with-people can't think for themselves so " he's the messiah!!" sure he existed and stuff but prove he was the son of god from history-not some sh**house book that's full of holes!!! I have now reached the understanding and point of the bible. The truth shall set you free eh...</strong>
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Old 06-03-2002, 09:11 PM   #35
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Well, if the bible teaches that that fruit gave us the knowledge of good and evil, and if this knowledge is the beginning of wisdom, then it would be accurate to say that the fruit gave us wisdom, though perhaps not directly.</strong>
But Christianity doesn't teach that the fruit gives us knowledge if good and evil.

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Can you provide bibilical justification for this?</strong>
I'm at work right now and don't have my Bible with me, but I'll look into it and get back to you.

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No other perspective has been demonstrated to exist.

No other perspective matters to me. I am human and I will always be human. I do not intend to try to force myself to bow to some other, alien viewpoint.</strong>
Because we're discussing what Christianity teaches, it's assumed that it does exsist.

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Assuming that your god is always right, and even if you proved that this god existed, I would not believe that it was always correct.</strong>
Fair enough. That's cetrainly your perogative.

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In other words, he's a perfectionist who cannot tolerate anything less and therefore punishes it?</strong>
Not at all. Holiness and sin cannot coexsist. His nature is holy. Ours is sinful. If He didn't want us to be reconciled to Him, then He wouldn't have gone to such heroic lengths to justify us.

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Oh, you must have missed the part where I stated that I used to be a christian. I know very well what fundamentalist christianity teaches. It is not necessary to currently be a christian in order to comment on what it teaches.</strong>
No, I saw that. If you know "very well" what Christianity teaches, then why are you misrepresenting such basic doctrinal teachings?

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I also pointed out the lack of bibilical justification for the idea that man had the knowledge of good and evil prior to eating the fruit.</strong>
And I pointed out the logical conclusion that man did have that knowledge.

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does the mere fact that man was created in the image of God show that man could also have created the universe if he felt like it?</strong>
No. Christianity teaches that some attributes of God are communicable and some are incommunicable.

Obviously, we are only created "in God's image" to the extent that we recieve His communicable attributes, otherwise you'd have a completely different religion like Mormonism that teaches that there are an endless succession of gods.

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Not necessarily. She could have been merely parroting what she had heard, "God has said so-and-so". Where in the bible does it say that she realized she was doing something wrong?</strong>
Not impossible, but highly unlikely given the language of the Biblical account of her temptation.

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Please point out testable, observable differences between spiritual life and spiritual death. Why is spiritual death a bad thing?</strong>
Since you don't believe scripture, wouldn't that be a moot point?

Spiritual death is a bad thing because it seperates us from God (i.e. "Hell").

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If God is truly loving, he would provide proof that what you were doing was dangerous. He wouldn't kill you for one mistake, either.</strong>
Nowhere in Christianity does it teach that God "kills you" for one mistake.

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Actually, he doesn't. He threatens to torture you for all eternity if you don't accept it. That's hardlly "freedom".</strong>
That's not taught anywhere in Christianity.

(a) God doesn't "torture" anyone and (b) you come out of the gate on your way to Hell. It's God who steps in and offers you a way out. It's completely up to you whether or not you accept it.

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Actually, it wouldn't. What kind of people does he want in heaven? The kind who don't take that final step of thought, the kind who will do whatever he says, up to and including killing their own children (Genesis 22). That doesn't describe any atheists I know, and it certainly doesn't describe me.</strong>
Abraham did NOT kill Isaac and God never intended for Abraham to kill Isaac. Rather than have Abraham kill Isaac, God sent a ram for Abraham to offer as a sacrifice.

This was to illustrate the vicarious sacrifice of the coming Messiah.

Who does God want in Heaven? Who does John 3:16 say that Christ died for? "Whosoever". God wants everyone home who wants to come home and He grieves for those who don't.

QoS, for someone who says they were a Christian, you sure don't know much about the most basic teachings of Christianity.

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Old 06-03-2002, 09:31 PM   #36
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(a) God doesn't "torture" anyone and (b) you come out of the gate on your way to Hell. It's God who steps in and offers you a way out. It's completely up to you whether or not you accept it.
Being an atheist is not a choice anymore than it was a choice for you to stop believing in Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.

We just dared to think on our own and ask questions and learn. Everyone told me thinking too much was dangerous and sinful, but I did it anyway. Now I'm free from all that horrid, superstitious nonsense!
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Old 06-03-2002, 10:15 PM   #37
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cheers to mad kally!!
God set up the lab where the mice run around, he put the cheese in the mouse trap,he knew the mice would take it, he knew the cheese was poisened, he knew that from then on all the mice would have this poisen in their blood 'cause of what the first mouse had done.So from then on all the mice knew that the enclosure in which they lived truely sucked (those bad mice,why if I was god I'd punish them with death by oven!)But wait, god has the antibiotic to save the mice, they just have to simply take it, and when they do, he will put them in a large glass cabnet so they can thank him forever.the end
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!!!
What kind of mind games is this god trying to play?? TAKE A STEP BACK from what the bible has to say, like " oh- but it pains his heart to see you perish", You think my heart isn't pained??
I've been a xian for a LONG time, I know what the bible has to say on these things so SHUT UP!!
Perhaps I now know it all to well.
note to xians: look at what is going on around you, things dont quite add up, do they? Theres no need to argue the minor *indescrepencies in the bible, What's going on in Gods head??
* I cany spell lad.
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<strong>Have you ever known anyone who *never* did anything morally questionable? Never even got tired and let a good act go undone? I haven't. So... I'm willing to accept the premise that all people are imperfect. Not because we're "made badly", but because freedom implies more than one possible outcome.

Given that, it seems that it would be nice if there were some way for our failings to be made up for. Conveniently, there is.</strong>
Made up for to whom? Who is keeping score, and holding us accountable for it?
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Old 06-03-2002, 10:24 PM   #39
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duh... its god,(but out of love mind you)
....uh...sorry..I'll just go over here for a while....
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<strong>duh... its god,(but out of love mind you)
....uh...sorry..I'll just go over here for a while....</strong>
I wonder... if on my deathbed I forgive everyone who wronged me in my life no matter what the offense, have I nullified that small part of god's sacrifice, have I made that portion of his suffering in vain?

Hmmmm....
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