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Jewel · 06-30-2003, 04:54 AM

From CBN.com :

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The bitter battle over President Bush's judicial nominees has been raging in the Senate for two years. Senate Republicans have taken a step toward stopping Democratic filibusters of the President' nominees. Republican members of the Senate Rules Committee voted Tuesday to limit the filibusters. Not a single Democrat showed up for the vote, but the Democrats are expected to fight the measure on the Senate floor.

Now with rumors circulating about Supreme Court Justices retiring, an opportunity for a shift in America's highest court could soon be presented. Pastor Dutch Sheets talked with Pat Robertson about the call to prayer that God has laid on his heart, and the importance of possible retirements on the court.

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SHEETS: Just several months ago, the Lord awakened me early and I knew that we were coming really, I hate to say it almost, but this is really the big one. This is the bigger battle. And the Lord spoke to me that June would be a key month back probably in January and that I was to begin to marshal prayer again in June. I didn't know about some of the things that would be happening now. But, this is the big one. If we don't win this one, this turning of the courts, we go no farther, absolutely no farther in turning this nation.

Vylo · 06-30-2003, 05:02 AM

Shake · 06-30-2003, 05:28 AM

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Sheets:
We have to begin a siege against this thing in prayer. We can't sit back and expect politicians or people like yourself who get people out to vote to do all the work. We can turn this thing through prayer. Whether there is a resignation or not, I don't know. But I know that the prayer must begin now.

One of the words for the watchmen in the Old Testament doesn't mean just to defend. It means to lay siege. And God has said, as a watchman on the wall for this nation, number one, sound the trumpet that it's time to pray, this is the big one. Number two, call a siege. We have to get around-the-clock prayer. I want prayer journeys. I want services turned into prayer meetings and I want every possible thing that I can get to happen. Every person counts. Just like every vote counts, every prayer counts. Over your food, when you pray, end it with, "Lord, turn the courts."
(emphasis mine)

For the first part, yes, that is all you can do. Prayer isn't going to change anything.

As for my emphasis above: this nation? You mean the good ol' US of A? A nation founded many centuries after the Bible was written. And yet, God's concerned about us ... how nice.

A prayer siege? Ha ha ha! OK, you go have your siege. Or, to quote The Princess Bride, "Have fun storming the castle!"

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SHEETS: Absolutely. I know it with everything in me. If we don't win this battle, to turn the courts - right now, this is our window - if we don't win this one, we will go into another downward spiral of judgment, immorality and decay. And it will take us decades to recover Pat.

I just have to add here, that I think The Downward Spiral is a great album! One of Trent's best works.

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ROBERTSON: I was with a former congressman yesterday and he gave me a list of the decisions of the courts that were in favor of ungodliness. The courts have ruled for ungodliness. They have supported pornography. They have taken out prayer. They have taken down the Ten Commandments� and it goes on and on and on how they've stripped America of its religious heritage. It's unbelievable how a few judges, what they have done, not to mention opening the floodgates of abortion. They overruled the statutes of almost every state and now we have had 40 million abortions.

No, the SCOTUS has ruled for Constitutionality. Stripped its religious heritage? No, I think not. You can't change history. You can only affect the present to shape the future. America will always be a land where folks came to escape religious persecution, and a place that was envisioned to be tolerant to all religious beliefs and practices. (Not just yours, Pat!)

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SHEETS: That institution is the number one reason that this nation has turned away from the Lord.

So, you're saying it's not the work of the EAC? It's not the evil atheists, it's the damn courts!

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ROBERTSON: It's amazing because they almost legitimize the fleshly impulses of the people and gave us no defense that we wanted to put up against these things.

SHEETS: They have, but I just want to say we can turn this thing. If we pray we can break this.

No defense, huh? Alright you heard it here from Pat Robertson himself! If you put porn in front of him, he has no defense against it. He won't be able to resist!

Pat finishes up with some yammering about the filth on the internet and how kids can't pray in school anymore (whatever), and then has Sheets end with a prayer. Sheets asks for the Senators to have courage. Not to do the right thing, but to have courage ... to do what, I'm not quite sure. Maybe start turning the country into a theocracy? Who knows?

Where's QoS? How'd I do?

Vylo · 06-30-2003, 05:44 AM

I was under the impression you could pray in school, just only in a personal, private manner.

hezekiah jones · 06-30-2003, 07:56 AM

Dutch Sheets - isn't that where you pull the covers up over your heads and fart?

dangin · 06-30-2003, 07:59 AM

God already knows who the next supreme court justices are. He's omniscient remember. Prayer can't change god's mind, otherwise god is not omniscient. Prayer is useless.

BibleBelted · 06-30-2003, 09:17 AM

I think we should both commend and encourage this 24/7 "prayer siege" by the Christian Coalition.

The more time they spend on their knees bothering their imaginary friend is that much less time they spending poking into the affairs of normal people.

Vylo · 06-30-2003, 09:23 AM

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I think we should both commend and encourage this 24/7 "prayer siege" by the Christian Coalition.

The more time they spend on their knees bothering their imaginary friend is that much less time they spending poking into the affairs of normal people.

I was just thinking that

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When all of you imagine this prayer scene, anyone else have an image of a warcraft 3 battle going through your head ?

Let me face the peril!

Stephen Maturin · 06-30-2003, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones
Dutch Sheets - isn't that where you pull the covers up over your heads and fart?

roflmao. Yessiree, that name cried out for mockery.

Prayer siege, eh? Well, in the immortal words of Gregory Hines, uttered in the movie History of the World: Part I, "Seize THIS, honkus." BibleBelted hit it right between the eyes; the more time Robertson's faithful followers spend on their knees petitioning God to pour forth his the tender mercies by killing liberal Supreme Court justices, the better off we'll all be. Here's hoping they pray so long and hard that they forget to send in their contributions as well.

Jewel · 06-30-2003, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by Vylo
I was under the impression you could pray in school, just only in a personal, private manner.

You can pray any time you like -- as long as you are not being disruptive. The myth of not being allowed to pray at all is a myth perpetuated by the religious right in an attempt to show just how persecuted they are. Of course it has no basis in reality.

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Vylo Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: washington, NJ 07882 Posts: 253	I was under the impression you could pray in school, just only in a personal, private manner.

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dangin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Middle, Kansas Posts: 2,637	God already knows who the next supreme court justices are. He's omniscient remember. Prayer can't change god's mind, otherwise god is not omniscient. Prayer is useless.

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BibleBelted Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Oklahoma, USA Posts: 891	I think we should both commend and encourage this 24/7 "prayer siege" by the Christian Coalition. The more time they spend on their knees bothering their imaginary friend is that much less time they spending poking into the affairs of normal people.

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