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Valentine Pontifex · 05-13-2002, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Lizard:
<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/</a>

Here's a recent, very complete article on whale evolution which appeared in "Reports" of the NCSE.

The ironic thing is that not long after it was published is that it became outdated thanks to a few more major discoveries. More fossils made the case even stronger and went a long way in resolving the fossil "vs." DNA debate.

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It is replete with "transitionals." Now, what was it someone was saying about whale evolution being "disproven?"

That article summarizes whale evolution, but it does not do one thing. It does not cover the many false claim that creationists have made about whale evolution.

Here is yet another subject that could use an FAQ at The Talk.Origins Archive. Volunteers are always needed to actually write those things.

A very partial list of things that could use FAQs is at:

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-rff.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-rff.html</a>

MrDarwin · 05-14-2002, 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by Lizard:
Now, what was it someone was saying about whale evolution being "disproven?"

No, not that whale evolution was "disproven", but a much broader (if infinitely more vague) claim:

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Originally posted by Jesus Freak:


I would like to see evidence of these transitional whales, if it is like other supposed transitional animals in the past, it will be proven to be bits and pieces of multiple animals, just as past discoveries have been disproven.

Unfortunately, Jesus Freak has not seen fit to come back to explain himself. I'm still wondering what "past discoveries have been disproven" myself.

[ May 14, 2002: Message edited by: MrDarwin ]

Godless Dave · 05-14-2002, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Godless Dave:


JF, what are you basing this statement on? The fossil record is chock-full of transitional species. A tiny minority have been found to be mistakes. A very few were found to be frauds.

We're still waiting for a response, Jesus Freak. You can't come in here and claim that a significant amount of discoveries of transitional forms were later disproven without backing it up with some evidence.

Godless Dave · 05-16-2002, 07:13 AM

Still waiting.

MrDarwin · 05-16-2002, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Godless Dave:
Still waiting.

Jesus Freak is apparently being disingenuous when he says he "would like to see evidence of these transitional whales". In fact, I suspect that's the last thing he wants to see.

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