KC

I ran across this statement on ARN. What is it about ID that makes an understanding of ecology and its relationship with evolution so damned difficult to get?

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Cheers,

KC

RufusAtticus

What in the name of heaven does sperm competition have to do with evolution?

Two words: Haplotype Variation

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Itzpapalotl

I was quite puzzled by that response to my post. To me it seems like a classic example of evolution including as it does the generation of new genes and significant changes to genes under the clear influence of natural selection. It also involves coevolution of female resistance to male induced harm.

If people are interested in the subject they might want to look at William Rice's papers that are available to download here: <a href="http://lifesci.ucsb.edu/EEMB/faculty/rice/publications.html" target="_blank">http://lifesci.ucsb.edu/EEMB/faculty/rice/publications.html</a>

They are all well worth reading, see also:

Willie J. Swanson, Andrew G. Clark, Heidi M. Waldrip-Dail, Mariana F. Wolfner, and Charles F. Aquadro Evolutionary EST analysis identifies rapidly evolving male reproductive proteins in Drosophila. PNAS June 19, 2001 vol. 98 no. 13 7375–7379 EVOLUTION.

MF Wolfner. The gifts that keep on giving: physiological functions and evolutionary dynamics of male seminal proteins in Drosophila. Heredity (2002) 88, 85–93

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scigirl

Itzpapalotl,

Welcome to infidels! You can introduce yourself <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=43&SUBMIT=Go" target="_blank">here</a> at the Welcome forum if you so desire.

scigirl

Dr.GH

Ah ha, your first encounter with mturner. There is an American folktale called the "Tarbaby" that may be helpful.

BTW, thanks for the link to Rice's articles. I was looking fo some sexual selection refences this morning and one or two of his will fit the bill perfectly.

tgamble

Now THIS is really amazing ignorance!

"This link explains that no matter how much America tries (no matter how much power it uses), its strength shall be used in vain. <a href="http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dayofterror.html" target="_blank">http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dayofterror.html</a>
This is exactly why, no matter how hard the U.S tries to control terrorism, no matter how hard they try to gain oil and take control, they will miserably fail (and they will spend a lot of money on it, just like what’s happening now, and there money shall be spent in vain). The Bible is the truth. It’s very consistent with what’s happening right now, and if we don’t repent, something really bad is going to happen to the U.S (whether they like it or not)."

"Look at the evidence. The fact of the matter is that the Bible is right. There is no convincing evidence (people had been trying to mix up bones, carve bones, etc... to prove evolution for a long time, just like the Bible says, and yet nothing has ever evolved. With all the species we have, why is it that after all this time no one has ever observed anything producing anything except it’s own kind?). I forgot the verse, but the Bible does mention that people will try to prove evolution. They’re trying very hard, may I add. They would lie, spend a lot of money, mix up bones, put together fake parts to say they evolved, etc... For many years they have been doing this, and for many years Christians have been pointing out the mistakes the scoffers make (of course they cover it up). Each time the scoffers would simply try harder to make a skull that can convince people. Now with all the genetic engineering we have, we can finally prove evolution? I doubt it, I think those skulls that are trying to prove evolution are made in a laboratory. Look how new they look, if they were about 2.4 million years old, wouldn’t they have decomposed by now (or at least look a little older than they look?). I’m sorry, but most people are brain washed by these lies because most people lack common sense (and are way too gullible). We are lied to about everything. Open your eyes and see the light. Look at the evidence."

Bettawrekonize
<a href="http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000078-2.html" target="_blank">http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000078-2.html</a>

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

tgamble

"I'd say the earth is in pretty good shape for a billion year-old planet. When you consider the damage that meteors, natural disasters, etc. would have caused the planet over billions of years, it's reasonable to conclude that the earth is probably much younger than that."
<a href="http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000083.html" target="_blank">http://creationtalk.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000083.html</a>

KC

Here's another creationist gem, from an AOL message board:

Cheers,

KC

Dark Jedi

Well, technically correct, from a Vetrinary/Zoology standpoint.
Just about as wrong as possible from an evolutionary/biology standpoint.

Looks like someone brought a zoology degree to a biology fight.

theyeti

That's mturner's style alright. He specializes in semantic games. By giving the concept of natural selection a different name, he pretends that natural selection doesn't exist. And when you try to explain that to him, he will pull out non-scientific definitions from the dictionary to prove his case.

theyeti