Frivolous

haloooo

we were talking 9/11

GreggLD1

Only accurate statement.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. It would be a lot harder to pull off another 9/11 today, but prior to that nobody really took seriously the possibility that suicidal Arab fanatics would really fly jetliners into buildings. They had the all-important element of surprise. And the whole operation really didn't cost al-Quaeda a whole lot of money. No we didn't. Hel-loooo! The attacks took place in Bush's first year in office! There haven't been any elections since! We don't have a prime minister/parliamentary system in the U.S. you know. Actually, this would be a heck of a lot easier WITHOUT 9/11, which stirred up a lot of emotions. From where I sit, it looks like most of the world sympathizes more with the Arab/Muslim loonies than with the U.S. "Yes, yes, the attacks were horrible, but they were certainly 'understandable!'" Al-Qaeda admitted responsibility for the attacks with Bin Laden's videotaped confession. And I'd say those attacks were pretty darned effective, even if they didn't accomplish the immediate collapse of the U.S., as Bin Laden and his cronies probably expected.

zzang

Here are the wildest 'theories:'
<a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com" target="_blank">www.whatreallyhappened.com</a>

idiom

I dont think it was that far fetched.

If I was in a subversive organisation I might have attempted the same thing. Hijacking aircraft is old hat so thats easy. Hitting a big fat building with a plane is also easy enoguh (with practice).

I dont think repeating it would be that hard either. If one was skilled h-t-h then it could still be accomplished.

"we will never forget 11/9"
most people had already forgotten the bombing at the world trade center in 93.

The attack was totally plausible. Even expected.

As Nasa says, the easiest way to trick everybody into believing you landed on the moon is to actually do it.

Living Dead Chipmunk

That flash movie was pretty creepy, especially with the music...

Jamie_L

Snide comment ignored (almost). Continue.

It might be fair to question the evidence, but the public has seen evidence. Just because you have reason to doubt the evidence does not mean it's not evidence, or even that it's not good evidence. The Bible is evidence of Christianity. How good is open for serious debate. The information provided to the public may be likewise insufficient, but that must be argued. Furthermore, there's a fair bit of corroboration from many sources that the public can look to, even if those sources are short on specifics.

Is there ever undisputable evidence for anything? Is there undisputale evidence for a conspiracy theory? A bunch of circumstantial events that seem to benefit one side or the other doesn't count.
What sort of trouble? Military trouble? No. Political trouble? Maybe. But why would they want to if they weren't provoked? (Oh, yeah, they mystery "pipeline". What a great cost-benefit scenario that is. From the attack: domestic pannic, economic downturn, rebuilding New York. From War: costs of war, costs of reconstruction, political fallout. Sure, a pipeline is worth all that.)
You mean if I knew 20 guys willing to be martyrs and I had a hundred thousand dollars or so? Okay.
No. Terrorist organizations are usually fighting AGAINST something. They often have no clear goal other than "hurt the enemy."
Umm, they did get away with it. The towers fell. America trembled in fear. Al-Queda is still out there. Sure, they lost a good training ground, and they didn't expect that. But their goal was just to kill a lot of people and make Americans afraid. I think they did that.

Why would they do it? Because they think they have a religious mandate. And they hate us. If you think that's not enough, you may be overestimating human nature.

Jamie

GreggLD1

Oh, I have to add: Any "benefits" the U.S. got from the attacks pretty much pales next to a trillion in stock market losses and an ongoing economic recession. And if you know anything about U.S. politics, you should know the thing that's almost guaranteed to get a President kicked out of office (even if he's just won a war--see "Bush, Sr.") is an economic downturn.

Gregg

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Frivolous

hello fellow arguers

i know i come across as a complete loony to some of you, but just bear with me on this. i think im onto something. And yes, these ideas are mostly my own

i was talking about an american organisation pulling it off. conspiracy thing making it look like it was al-qaeda.

as in, would a highly funded organisation be incapable of pulling of 9/11 and framing al-qaeda?

read <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=oil+pipeline+built+afghanistan+news+american " target="_blank">any of these</a>

summarized from <a href="http://www.iansa.org/news/terrorism/oil_af.htm" target="_blank">here</a> :Mr. Chairman:
"The Caspian Sea Region Contains Tremendous "From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan could not begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company."


Oops. i meant that Bush's popularity was falling dramatically prior to 9/11 and afterwards was the highest. See <a href="http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020911-96793038.htm" target="_blank">here</a>

Spill over from sympathy towards the U.S from 9/11 helped them to apply pressure to Iraq on a Global Terrorism Initiative, you know that Bush speech where he named the countries with that formed the axis of evil? I dont think he would have done that if 9/11 hadnt happened.

btw, i dont think Bush is in on this conspiracy

really. ive never heard that.

Right. A video taped confession, in arabic. Thats all the evidence we've seen.
With modern technology, would it have been hard to fake that tape? It looked pretty sketchy to me. And if Bin Laden was so intent with getting away with it, why would he tape himself laughing about it?

Snide comment taken back. In the hope that you will all not look upon this "far fetched theory" with less bias.

Evidence sketchy yes, lets not bring the bible into this. Covering for 9/11's evidence being sketchy by using the bibles sketchiness as an example is not really valid.
When you say a fair bit of corroboration from many sources, i propose that its all really from the same source.

I dont really know why Iraq, North Korea and the Taliban were seen as direct threats to the U.S for sure, its probably something to do with their extremism. The real reason is probably something quite complex.

Say that something was predicted possible to happen in the future, as an example; the collapse of the U.S as a dominant military power caused indirectly by these countries (bizarre i know, but bear with me). If this was projected to be a likely event, wouldn't something drastic have to be done about it? There would no doubt be an organisation in the U.S with more influence than the CIA that would have kicked into action here. What would this organisation be capable of, in order to prevent any possible damage to the U.S?

I think this is inaccurate. In my opinion terrorist groups think they are fighting for whats right, whether the rest of the world agrees with them or not.

I meant 'get away with it' as in anonymity. Wouldnt they want americans to be afraid of Them? Or just 'afraid' in general?


Of course they would have a motive. It wouldnt make any sense to frame them if they didnt.It would be like trying to frame the U.S for it, how bizarre.

Because there seems like no other force in the world (with that capability) would have a motive for attacking the U.S its easy for us to lay the blame on the (seemingly) only other suspect in the field, which is Al-Qaeda. Especially if we are hinted strongly to do so via government authority and media (which is censored by government authority)

But what im saying is that maybe some force behind american politics did have a motive for it. A very serious one. Not just by gaining something out of it, but also erasing a potential problem.

A trillion in stock market losses and ongoing recession is nothing when you consider that america still is the most powerful military force in the world. And american standard of living hasnt been affected dramatically.

zzang

OK, those of you who don't believe the official story, what do you think happened and who was involved?

galiel

NO00ooooooo......

Too late. you said it. Prepare for the invasion of the mind snatchers.