Radorth

I've never been impressed with genius. It's what you did with it that I care about. I think you should back up that statement, since I assume you have somethng to show for it. Why don't you "brag" a little, especially since you don't need to worry about me asking cynical questions? In fact, you can brag all you want about your accomplishments and I'll take what you say at face value. How's that?

Oh. I forget. Skeptics don't have to back up anything really. They can just make assertions and the choir won't ask questions, except maybe Kirby or Sneddin. (The gall of these people!) Meanwhile the Christians have to "prove" theirs.

Rad

winstonjen

Get what? I fail to understand what you're getting at here, Radorth.

Why does god need to 'cover up' the sin? Isn't that like pretending it doesn't exist to him, therefore it's OK? And wasn't the nudity being covered up? Is it a sin for people to run or participate in nudist colonies?!?!

And if god could cover it up that way, why can't he also forgive Adam and Eve and start all over again in paradise? Could it be that the bible is full of inconsistencies and the Xian 'god' doesn't give a rat's ass about the human race?

Yellum Notnef

Who here has ever said that they DON`T have any faults or weaknesses?
The answer is NOBODY.

This is one of the other infamous tactics you employ when your backs against the wall and you need to level the field. You`ll say that YOU have faults and weaknesses and then act amazed and marvel at how we don`t say it in return. Then you start that crap about kettles and mirrors.

So would you be happy if we replied "yes Radorth,we have faults and weaknesses too"? I doubt it. What I think you really want is for us to admit to spcific faults that you perceive us to have like being wrong about Jesus or whatever else the argument is about.

Oh btw,
The specific weakness you admitted to on this thread was that you don`t have time to hold up all the mirrors you`d like to. These obnoxious mirrors of yours is just another way of describing the tactic I just mentioned above.

So your weakness (which is not a weakness at all,,but rather a strategy) is not having all the time you`d like to employ this strategy.

Radorth

The story is an allegorical revelation. He is not "covering up" their sins or their nudity. God doesn't "cover up" sins unless and until we confess them. He is providing a temporal covering for them because he loves them.

"Nothing is unclean of itself."

Well of course, they never agreed to stop eating of the tree of knowledge of good an evil, nor have you, obviously. You'd need three Zen courses and major heart surgery to get my drift here. Anyway, that's what he did, finally, completely and perfectly, through Christ, the "second Adam." What did you think he was doing up there?

Oh that's right. "Feeding his ego."

Rad

Yellum Notnef

No thanks. I`m not the type who likes to brag or talk much about myself.
And if I did mention some accomplishments it would just turn into a pissing contest and thats just not me.
I`m actually rather meek in my personal life and prefer to keep a very low profile. Hmm,Jesus and I would probably be the best of friends (if he was real).

Could you please put your loathing of Jesus mythers on the back burner for a little while? It has nothing to do with what we`re talking about at the moment.
The only things anyone here asks Christians to prove is their wild religious claims. Don`t assert that you spoke in tongues,saw paradise lost and that Jesus rose from the dead if you don`t want to be questioned.

Radorth

That wasn't the question. Heh.

I don't care if you say it. I was:

1. pointing out that I have admitted faults because you were falsely asserting I claimed to have none at all.

2. Commenting indirectly on your hypercritical attitude

3. Holding up a mirror

4. Pointing out how particular people are prone to go completely off topic criticising me personally, making cynical comments and avoiding their own issues altogether.

Rather clever, I thought, given the circumstances.

My offer to Daggah is the same for you BTW, but I know you are on the same crusade he is.

The only thing I'm surprised at is the failure of a moderator to close the thread. You are completely predictable.

Rad

spurly

It seems that this thread has gotten away from it's original focus and turned to personal attacks. Let's try to put those attacks aside and get back to the purpose of this thread. Just a silly idea I have.

Kevin

Hedwig

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Okay, my friend Jeff will be back from the Peace Corps before too long. One of the subjects he studied heavily in college was Eastern Philosophy...and if I recall correctly, Zen Buddhism was one of his favorites. If Rad's still around I'll be more than happy to entreat Jeff to come on here and discuss Zen and Christian theology since those were two major areas of interest to him.

I promise I'll try. Don't know if I'll succeed...Jeff's prone to being hermetic and limits his interactions with a lot of technology...but he might find this interesting.

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Fiach

I find it interesting that the very people who were there, the Jews never bought this psychotic myth. I took European barbarians to actually buy this terrible myth.

It is so obvious that it is a myth, if one looks at the previous myths of virgin born god-men who died and resurrected, Mithra, Osiris, Aten, Horus, Apollonius, even Lugh and several others that I can't recall now. It is obvious that the Jesus myth was plagiarised from Mithra and others. Mithra was visited by three magi bearing gifts (Magi are Zoroastrian priests). Why would a Zoroastrian priest want to visit a Palestinian child said to be a furture King of Israel. Mithra and Aten were in stable attended by shepherds. All of them had 5 or 12 apostles. All of them were killed and resurrected in three days. Jesus is obviously a plagiarised myth.

It may have a nidus in the Talmud in which they document a Jesus Ben Pandira, son of Mary Madgalene, who was a sorceror, trained in Egypt, who lived in Palestine during the reign of King Alexander Jannaeus putting it 100-150 years BC. That Jesus was tried for sorcery, convicted, and stoned to death, then hung on a tree for others to see.

I suspect that Jesus ben Pandira was the name and person who still had a cult following in Judea in 1 AD. Later on this Jewish sect had conflict with Saul/Paul who was chased out of town to exile for 14 years in Tarsus, a port city mostly Mithraistic with other eastern mystery cult. Paul was influenced by the Mithraic 7 sacraments, saving grace, being born again, baptism by water, and redemption of the human race. Put it all together with Jesus Ben Pandira in a mosaic. Paul did it. He created Jesus the messiah-god man. Jesus Christ was not an official name until the council of Nicaea in 324 AD.

Jesus was a fictional character. He not only never walked on water, he never walked on land. There is no verifiable evidence of his existence. All narratives are either later apologists or secular historians reporting that followers of Christos existed and what (the Christians) believed about him.

Fiach

Amos

The problem is that myths are true and you provided good evidence for that. It is just that all is allegory, but true nonetheless.