Keenanvin

Parodn me, this may not be the correct board to post this on... but I have been debating my friend for a few days now, and all the answers I get relate to 'God Just does' or 'That is what faith is for' or 'God can do it becusae he is all-powerful'
Now, I am an atheist, I cannot scientifficially prove god, so therefore to me there should be no argument. I was born and raised on facts. How can you argue with someone who, when asked how god created all the water for the global flood and asked aobut why the pressure didnt kill the occupants of the ark, along with the heat of all the rainfall... he answeres "Well, It must have been pretty amazing becuase God just did!"

ARRGGG!!!! He is a fundy.... fundy logic *puke*

well.... *banghead* what i can say or do to make him realize that "God DID IT" is NOT a valid explanation to ANYTHING!? -Kv

Mageth

In my opinion, you can't argue against such an argument. The person who resorts to "goddidit" is no longer arguing but instead turning to magic for an answer, which as you know is no answer at all.

Keenanvin

I know... I was just wondering if I could actually turn the argument agaisnt them... so far I was thinking about using "Buddha Did It" or "Krishna did it" *shrug*

Mageth

Well, that's not really an argument. It's more like a concession. They're conceding that the only argument they have left is "goddidit." I don't think there's much you can do against it.

Perhaps you can just point out to them that they're not posing an argument. And using your idea, you might say "Which god? Krishna? Allah? Thor?" Perhaps that'll get them on a more "logical" track.

Mecha_Dude

fundy logic = Mental Roadkill

Tercel

Keenanvin,

You could reply that "God Just doesn't".

Do you believe only that which can be proved by science? If so, your beliefs are probably inconsistent since your belief that "I only believe things which can be proved by science" has not been proven by science and hence is false.
Things do not always have to be proved by science to be believed. I'm sure you believe plenty of things people have told you: About what they did last Saturday, about that time they went on holiday, about what so-and-so said to so-and-so. None of that has been proven by science to have occurred, yet you reasonably believe it to be true (at least I hope you do).

God is of course very difficult to detect with science since science investigates observable phenomina in this world, while God is invisible and not in this world. However it is alleged by Christians that God does interact with this world sometimes. Now these interactions aren't repeatable on demand which means they can't be investigated by science very well. However you could still analyse these claims rationally by investigating the historical and testimonial data.

Many people claim that God has acted in their lives: Read the books they have written and decide whether they're likely telling the truth or not.
The Bible contains a record of alleged interactions of God with the world. Have a read of some unbiased scholarly material on the important bits of it and come to your own conclusion.
Try praying to God honestly about your feelings, if nothing happens and you don't feel any different you've lost nothing and if you feel something or something happens then all well and good.
Have a look at some of the more scientifically investigatable alleged miracles in recent history: healings and the like. etc
There are also various rational arguments for and against the existence of God. Have a look into some of these if you aren't already familar with them.

Though God is not directly scientifically testable, there are many ways we can know things and gather evidence appart from science. Try to have an as unbiased as possible look into some of these claims and what evidence there is and make your own decision.

Surely if God is powerful enough to cause a miraculous flood then he should have no problem miraculously protecting the occupants of one boat.
Not that I believe in a global flood, mind you. Being a Christian doesn't require me to believe that everything in the Bible is true.

Yup. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Why exactly? If God exists and does do stuff then "God DID IT" is sometimes going to be the correct explanation.

Tercel

Mageth

I noticed that Tercel's post is number 666.

Congrats, Tercel! You're the Antichrist For A Day!

Samhain

No, it is not logical to believe that just because "god did it" that it is a reasonable explanation. Yes, we may believe that you stayed home last friday night because you told us, but that does not even consider anything metaphysical, defying logic and physical law. If you had said: "I stayed home last friday and went to another dimension," or "I used my mental powers to levitate objects," or "I flew through the skys by beating my arms really fast" then NO ONE would be inclined to believe you. You'd get a usual response of "prove it" and you'd be forced to either confess that you didn't or make a fool of yourself trying to prove it. To say that you did it is not enough, there must be some kind of evidence on how you defied nature if you make bold statements such as that, and therein lies the problem. These things were not even mentioned, and "God did it" is not a reasonable explanation because we must also know how it is possible that he defied natural law or even if whether or not he tried to defy nature.

Mageth

Not to mention, whether or not he exists in the first place, which clearly based on this site is open for conjecture.

HRG

First, the sentence "I only believe which can be proven by X" does not mean that I believe that everything which cannot be proven by X is false.

Second, he should know himself whether he believes something, shouldn't he ? So how do you conclude that the quoted sentence is false ?

Regards,
HRG.