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Jimmy Higgins · 06-16-2003, 01:05 PM

Seeing that God saw that all he created in the "First" Story of Creation was good, that means perfect. But not just perfect, but complete! Therefore, I suggest that new "kinds" can't be created anymore. So whatever exists today had to of been on the ark, possibly more to account for extinction.

So is there a number of "kinds" today?

Viti · 06-16-2003, 01:25 PM

According to Hovind, there are 8000 kinds...see for yourself at Dr, Dino!

Arken · 06-16-2003, 01:28 PM

I just want to know how God kept the saltwater and the freshwater fish separate. Did he give the ocean two layers or did Noah have to bring a bunch of fish tanks too?

Jimmy Higgins · 06-16-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by LadyShea
According to Hovind, there are 8000 kinds...see for yourself at Dr, Dino!

8000 "basic kinds"

What in the world is a "basic kind"? Now are there any real details showing the type of each kind?

RufusAtticus · 06-16-2003, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
Seeing that God saw that all he created in the "First" Story of Creation was good, that means perfect. But not just perfect, but complete! Therefore, I suggest that new "kinds" can't be created anymore. So whatever exists today had to of been on the ark, possibly more to account for extinction.

So is there a number of "kinds" today?

Well the quickest way to find out how many kinds there are is too ask a five year old. After all they should know because unlike the rest of us they haven't been corrupted by evolutionist education.

Minnesota · 06-16-2003, 10:12 PM

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Well the quickest way to find out how many kinds there are is too ask a five year old. After all they should know because unlike the rest of us they haven't been corrupted by evolutionist education.

I think the reference to kids is quite apt. "Kinds" is a definitely a child's word, and probably why creationists are so fond of it: it signals a shared assumption that need not be defined.

HRG · 06-17-2003, 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by Minnesota
I think the reference to kids is quite apt. "Kinds" is a definitely a child's word, and probably why creationists are so fond of it: it signals a shared assumption that need not be defined.

What a coincidence that the German word for "child" is "kind"! Must have been fine-tuned

Regards,
HRG.

Viti · 06-18-2003, 02:33 PM

AiG (who state "20,000 land animals on the Ark") further muddies the "kinds" waters

AiG Kinds

What the hell does this quote mean?

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Some creationists have reasoned that because these hybrids are sterile, the horse, ass and zebra must be separate created kinds. However, not only does this go beyond the biblical text, it is overwhelmingly likely that horses, asses and zebras (six species of Equus) are the descendants of the one created kind which left the Ark. Hybridization itself suggests this, not whether the offspring are fertile or not. Infertility in offspring can be due to rearrangements of chromosomes in the different species � changes such that the various species have the same DNA information but the chromosomes of the different species no longer match up properly to allow the offspring to be fertile. Such (non-evolutionary) changes within a kind can cause sterility in hybrids.

Rearrangement? As we learned in the What Kind is it? thread

Horses have 32 Chromosome pairs
Donkeys have 31 Chromosome pairs
Zebras have 22 Chromosome pairs

There is much more than "rearrangement" going on here, even for someone like me who knows next to nothing about such things

AiG goes on to say

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some variations also occurred through degenerative changes caused by mutations (e.g. loss of wing size in the cormorants of the Gal�pagos Islands)::Snip::From these kinds came many �daughter species�, which generally each have less information (and are thus more specialized) than the parent population on the Ark.

So assuming that numbers of pairs of chromosomes is "information" and new information is not added, BEHOLD, God's perfect orginal Horse Kind...the Tahki from Mongolia with 33 pairs of chromosomes

Grumpy · 06-18-2003, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by Arken
I just want to know how God kept the saltwater and the freshwater fish separate. Did he give the ocean two layers or did Noah have to bring a bunch of fish tanks too?

Kent Hovind has an answer for this, too:

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I believe that the oceans were all fresh water prior to the flood. After the flood, the salts began leaching out of the continents into the oceans, and the rivers contained some salts that were carried to the oceans. It is a fact that the oceans are getting saltier every day. The fish have gradually adjusted to that salt.

There is a man in Minnesota that has two huge aquariums in his home, one is a salt water aquarium, and the other is fresh water. Over about a ten-year period, he slowly decreased the amount of salt in the salt water aquarium. Normally, there should be about 3.6 percent salt. As he slowly brought the saltwater down lower and lower, he slowly added salt to the fresh water. In about ten years, he was able to get both of them to about half salinity, and then he mixed all the fish together. They are doing fine.

Excerpted from here.

RufusAtticus · 06-18-2003, 04:06 PM

Did anybody else notice AiG's lie that chromosomal rearangments are "non-evolutionary?"

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