Skeptictank

Well not any more. They did back in '47 when founding the "civilized" country of Israel. :P

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Israel was willing to concede many points but it was the Paletinian leadership that called off negotiations and called for Intifada in 2000. Therefore the blood (both Israeli and Palestinian) of the last 3 years is on their hands.

Well, if I invade your house, take it by force, push you out into the back yard and then after you try to fight for it back I offer you the basement, and you still fight, whose fault is it? Just something to ponder

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Also Israel does not keep "refugees" in camps, Arabs do. They could have been integrated in Palestinian/Arab society decades ago.

Of course they don't keep refugees, they drove most of the Palestinians out in '48! The Serbs didn't keep Kosovar refugees either! "They could have been integrated into Albanian society".

Happy Wonderer

Well pretty darn close but Likud would have been a pretty big surprise since they are the current ruling party. There is some press given to allegations that the security detail had been deliberately weakened but I do not know if there was good evidence or if it was a "second gunman" type of conspiracy theory.

The assassin Yigal Amir was a member (loosely at least) of the Eyal group, which was a very rabid anti-Arab Jewish settler faction. He killed the PM expressly to derail the peace process. He had exactly the same goals in that respect as the HAMAS militants.

The extremists on both sides win whenever there is an extreme action.

hw

Darwin26

for such big problems...
The UN Resolution 671 calls for all countries to Disarm Weapons of Mass Distruction in the middle east... Isreal has not complied.
The Israli's want the Palatinians gone... and continue to plant settlers in Pal territory... not unlike the lost cause of the American Indian... Geronimo was a Terrorist !
The Xian Reich deeply supports the Isreal position.
i think if the Palastinians were supplied with bigger and better ordinance and ARMS suicide bombings would drop dramatically.
A jew Fundamentalist is just like a Xian Fundy ... they are not going to accept Mohammed on any level. They also RUN Isreal...Connect the dots ...The Pals can walk into the Sea and drown for all Isreal cares.
my vote goes to the most oppressed

Ultron

Palestinian territory? That land stopped being claimed by Jordan in 1988. When did the Palestinians win the West Bank from Jordan, Israel or Britain?

Loren Pechtel

The problem Israel has is that they can't allow loopholes. If living in an apartment exempts you from having your house destroyed for attacking Israel you'll simply find the militants moving to apartments.

Happy Wonderer

LOL! You are one funny guy -- either that or one seriously sick one.

What a good idea, maybe we should have it in the United States as well. If someone commits a serious crime against the government, we destroy the apartment building that they live in. Maybe all of this concern about police misusing leathal force and putting innocents at risk is misplaced. If a bank robber refuses to surrender and runs into a crowd -- open up with machine guns!

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KnightWhoSaysNi

I think both sides share much of the blame for the stupidity and violence in the conflict. I agree with the Amnesty International report that condemned both the Israelis and Palestinians.

However, at this time, I tend be somewhat more sympathetic with the Israelis. The reason is that the Palestinians have become a society that values extreme intolerance, hate, and terror. Much of their misery is created by themselves because of that.

As for some examples, their children are taught to hate Jews in their schools, inciting violence. At a Palestinian university in Najah, a student group actually built a museum-like exhibit, celebrating a suicide bombing in an Israeli pizzaria, including fake blood, dead babies, body parts, and art depicting other terrorist acts. They actually celebrate attacks that kill the elderly, infants, children (including the 9/11 attacks). Some of their leaders even advocate outright genocide:

"It is only a matter of time... Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them!"
--- Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, Member of the Palestinian Authority appointed "Fatwa Council"

I really cannot have much sympathy for people who find joy in dancing on the corpses of Israeli schoolchildren, as Sakpo (I think) put it once. How could you possibly gain peace with a group like that? If a society like that gained considerable political power, it would be downright frightening. I'm not sure who said it, by I agree with whoever said, "peace will only come when Palestinians love their children more than they hate Jews."

One more thing I should add. My sympathies would shift right to the Palestinians if they used non-violent resistance or civil disobedience like Gandhi's methods.

PalestineChic19

I'd say I support palestine becoming it's own nation. The Palestinian people don't have any less rights then the Israelis to be where they are, if not more. Israel has a superior military, a UN position, US support, and yet, people still feel "sorry" for them. the death tolls compared are Vastly against Israel as well.somewhere around 705 israelis to 2,268 Palestinians, last time I checked. one thing I've got to say though is that the suicide bombings are just hurting the Palestinian cause. we don't need to stoop to their level.

Iamthebeerking

Look up a little Jordanian history. If I recall there's about 300,000 Palestinians who aren't able to.

hinduwoman

I feel sympathy for Palestines, but their suicide bombers nearly negate that.
Also, I am told that while Palestines lived there only the area was nothing but deserts. Now the Israelis have turned it into a developed country with olive gardedns and cities and univiersities. The Arabs are simply jealous and want to take advantage of such hardwork without doing anything themselves.