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Gurdur · 12-23-2002, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese:

Come up with a competitor.

Johann Huss.

Though murdered by the Catholics, his ideas won out in the end.

Bree · 12-23-2002, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese:
That's mea culpa.

I'm willing to wager I know far more about religious orders and religious life than you.

Gemma Therese

Please stay on topic and stop picking fights with each other. Gemma, I know this is an emotional issue for you and that you have hands-on knowledge of the issues, but if you want to nitpick please do so in private.

Thanks.

Gemma Therese · 12-23-2002, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Bree:


Please stay on topic and stop picking fights with each other. Gemma, I know this is an emotional issue for you and that you have hands-on knowledge of the issues, but if you want to nitpick please do so in private.

Thanks.

No problem, I apologize for my digression.

Gemma Therese

Vorkosigan · 12-23-2002, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese:


Come up with a competitor.

Shit, Gemma, that's too easy. Just take a look at the Buddhist faith, which has had charitable institutions across East, North, South and Central Asia for two thousand years, outcompeted Christianity, saved thousands of more lives than the RCC, which after all was confined to Europe until about 1500, and did all of that charity work without an inquisitions, religious butchery, religious wars, suppression of competing religions, destruction of local cultures, intolerance of heretics and so on.

So in fact, the various Buddhist charitable organizations in Asia have done far, far more charitable work than any Christian organization, and all without killing too. Pretty amazing, eh?

Vorkosigan

Gemma Therese · 12-24-2002, 05:23 AM

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Originally posted by Vorkosigan:


Shit, Gemma, that's too easy. Just take a look at the Buddhist faith, which has had charitable institutions across East, North, South and Central Asia for two thousand years, outcompeted Christianity, saved thousands of more lives than the RCC, which after all was confined to Europe until about 1500, and did all of that charity work without an inquisitions, religious butchery, religious wars, suppression of competing religions, destruction of local ures, intolerance of heretics and so on.

So in fact, the various Buddhist charitable organizations in Asia have done far, far more charitable work than any Christian organization, and all without too. Pretty amazing, eh?

Vorkosigan

Not really, when you think of Father Damiem, Maximillian Kolbe, Mother Teresa, Perpetua and Felicity, St. Maria Goretti, Katharine Drexel, Elizabeth Ann Seton, Mother Cabrini, Catherine of Siena, Therese of Lisieux, Teresa of Avila, Thomas Aquinas, St. Francis, St. Dominic, St. Rose of Lima, to name a small few.

Not to mention the millions of men and women who have dedicated their lives to God's service over the centuries, while living in abject poverty, and the convents and monestaries that shielded Jews during WWII.

Remember we all live in history. We make judgements in the moment based on what we see and how we evaluate with the limitations of our faith and understanding. We can all rewrite history once we know the outcome.

Gemma Therese

Proxima Centauri · 12-24-2002, 05:44 AM

Gemma has succeeded in getting us into yet another digression. We should be discussion those priestly child molesters. I guess many Roman Catholic are desperate because they or their colleagues might be prosecuted for child molestation of for failing to report child molestation.
That's why Gemma and Amos have been asked to do everything they can to introduce digressions.

The Admiral · 12-24-2002, 06:32 AM

Gemma

Your prescription may be okay but get rid of the rose colored lenses.

The Admiral

Bree · 12-24-2002, 07:55 AM

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001664" target="_blank">The wealth of good wrought by the Catholic Church</a>

Here you go - a new thread!

Gemma Therese · 12-24-2002, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Bree:
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001664" target="_blank">The wealth of good wrought by the Catholic Church</a>

Here you go - a new thread!

Thank you, Bree.

Gemma Therese

12-24-2002, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by Gurdur:

Johann Huss.

Though murdered by the Catholics, his ideas won out in the end.

Only by the protestants who have been dissecting him ever since. We just call him John Huss.

[ December 24, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]

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Proxima Centauri Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: England, the EU. Posts: 2,403	Gemma has succeeded in getting us into yet another digression. We should be discussion those priestly child molesters. I guess many Roman Catholic are desperate because they or their colleagues might be prosecuted for child molestation of for failing to report child molestation. That's why Gemma and Amos have been asked to do everything they can to introduce digressions.

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The Admiral Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Racine, Wi. USA Posts: 768	Gemma Your prescription may be okay but get rid of the rose colored lenses. The Admiral

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Bree Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Twin Cities, USA Posts: 3,197	<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001664" target="_blank">The wealth of good wrought by the Catholic Church</a> Here you go - a new thread!

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