Proxima Centauri

Why is it that you are allowed to throw false accusations around while we are not?
You throw as many false accusations around as you like and you still see yourself as a morally superior Roman Catholic Believer.
We just have to be accused of something, say making false accusations. What is said about us doesn't even have to be true. We're automatically morally inferior atheists in your opinion.
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Gemma Therese

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Godless Dave, I would reccomend you spend some time in a Trappist or Benedictine monestary. Ideally Trappist. They are welcome to visitors, and you can witness for yourself a life that you so openly criticize. You will find placidity and calmness in a way you have probably never seen thus far in your life.

Gemma Therese

Gemma Therese

Godless Dave (and others) -

Go to the following link (The Salve) and scroll to the bottom of the page, where you can listen to the sisters chant the Salve.

It is beautiful.

Gemma Therese

openeyes

Gemma Therese, seebs: I'm sure there are former atheists who have converted to theism of some sort. I'm guessing that they are in the minority. As I've said, most atheists I know have been that way for years, often hidden because of society's negative stance (in the US anyway) and our minority status. Despite all this, they just can't believe because they can't go against what makes sense to them and is useful. We still live full, rich lives, our lack of belief not handicapping us to this end as I feel many of you who believe think it does. If anything, I think my life has been "opened" as I have to look to real sources of wisdom and information to deal with life's challenges, and I've had my share of these challenges as I'm sure everyone else has had. (Hey Amos, another opportunity to poke fun at my "board" name).


For those of us who don't have this "god" orientation, the many concepts, rules and regulations of various religious traditions, including Catholic "purgatory" just strike us as absurd. I guess if people want to believe in it all or the parts they like, that's ok. It just seems sometimes that these beliefs hinder what is useful in helping individuals and in helping society to move forward. So don't try to sell theism as the necessarily "superior" position, and keep state-church lines clear.

Amos

Hello B.Shack, in this contemplation they enter the realm of the divine and from there the world you live in is an illusion. Worse, yet, the very life you treasure is an illusion or eternal life could not be real! In this contemplative life they can penetrate the Thousand Year Reign of God which is therefore timeless and peacefull in essence as compared to the world they 'left behind.'

Amos

Hello openeyes, I have a lot more respect for atheists than I do for selfrighteous believers that are actually galloping in the wrong direction and will do anything they can think of to get followers.

Sorry about the poking fun at your handle and I am glad that it did not make you angry.

Valmorian

I love the arrogance of these sort of statements. The ASSUMPTION that because these people appear placid and calm, they are somehow virtuous.

Comatose people are placid and calm too. I certainly wouldn't call them virtuous.

Amos

Well lets just say that they do not have a need for re-creation because they are never out of touch with creation. The fact that we do have a need for recreation already speaks volumes for their peace and tranquility.

Gemma Therese

I fail to see my arrogance. Just because you reject the contemplative life does not make it worthless.

Gemma Therese

Valmorian

Conversely, neither does your acceptance of it make it worthwhile. I'm sure the contemplative life is quite "worth it" to those involved.

Why should this suggest that one should be impressed with those who cloister themselves away? What exactly is there to be proud of? How is this virtuous in any way other than the most selfish?