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tgamble · 08-12-2002, 05:47 AM

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tgamble · 08-12-2002, 05:26 PM

[quote]Originally posted by tgamble:

RANA:
>"But we would argue that basically God intervened at different times in the
>Earth's history to bring about these different organisms. Now if this is
>our.and that these extinction events that we see in the fossil record are
>essentially events that happened either through natural processes or
>through supernatural means in which God essentially wiped out the life on
>the Earth and then replenished that life with new life forms because the
>Earth was constantly changing"

>ME:I'd like to know how one can tell the >difference. Or to test if it was God
>who did it or simply evolution continueing.

Response on the a creationism vs. evolution mailing list:

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there is a method that this can be tested-You might have heard about the triassic/jurassic boundary sediments they discovered in italy and north america... using yearly sediment deposit as a calibrator they were able to show that immediately following the triassic extinction event, only 10 thousand years pass between the last alligator-sized reptile footprint and
the first warm-blooded, jurassic-sized theropod dinosaur footprint. Secular paleontologists believe that the evolution of the reptiles into dinosaurs took place during this 10,000 year window [Science 17 may 2002 vol 296 pp.1305-1307]. given the optimistic 10-year estimated generative period of dinosaurs, this leaves only around 1000 generations for the evolution to
have taken place, followed by evolutionary stasis. This is a small enough amount of time that we can actually test experimentally whether evolution is responsible for the new species using animals such as Drosophila Melanogaster, which has a generative period of around 10 days. 1000 generations of drosophila occur in at most 32 years, we've been studying them for fifty. we have not succeeded in producing significant changes in drosophila, regardless of the adaptive pressures we put on the species
experimentally. the likelihood of such rapid changes becomes especially apparent when one considers the amount of soft tissue and metabolic alterations that must have been wrought on the reptile species. This is not
to say that it is impossible for evolution to explain it, but one must have faith that there is some undiscovered pressure that can cause extremely rapid evolution and yet not be able to be simulated.

How much of this is accurate? It just seems wrong somehow. Why mention only a footprint? Surely other fossils have been found that increase the amount of time available.

KnightWhoSaysNi · 08-12-2002, 05:38 PM

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The Lone Ranger · 08-12-2002, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by tgamble:

How much of this is accurate? It just seems wrong somehow.

It doesn't sound too likely to me. I'm not a geologist, but I'd be surprised indeed if you could get a resolution of only 10,000 years or so in sediments that are 100,000,000+ years old.

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Secular paleontologists believe that the evolution of the reptiles into dinosaurs took place during this 10,000 year window

Dinosaurs evolved during the early Triassic, not during the Triassic/Jurassic transition, as I recall. He seems to be off by tens of millions of years.

Cheers,

Michael

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