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NumberTenOx · 04-05-2003, 12:01 AM

Wow,

YESHUA
Metatron
MEMRA
admo Kadmon
HaSatan

hours of Google enjoyment!

I especially enjoyed this Metatron site, brings back memories.

Seriously, I think the "sun" thing is just an attempt to say that it's not arrogant to think of God as all-powerful, because he just is all-powerful.

I just think it's arrogant to claim to know anything about God.

Jinto · 04-05-2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by betzerdg
So you're the spokes person for the entire web here, hummm....sorry that you ALL find G-d so annoying...

But that is typical of the "fundamental atheists" approach to anything new or different....sorry about your intolerance (whew, i though the baptist fundmentalists were nitpicky!)

Anyway.....I won't go into your illogical and somewhat ridiculous argument about the SUN thing.....sorry about your bad luck!

A) I said MOST, not all. Please keep your strawmen to yourself.
B) The ad hominem is not nessecary
C) I'm sorry that you don't have a response to my argument. It must be frustrating knowing that your position is illogical and somewhat rediculous.

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Let me say this for clarification.....G-d's first creation was HIMSELF in time and space. It is here that YESHUA...the Metatron, the MEMRA was created (JESUS). HE is the "adom Kadmon" the blueprint for all of creation (molecular structure). When G-d is anthromorphised in the scripture it is reference to Yeshua...who is the "exact representation of the invisible G-d" It is YEshua that walked and talked with the prophets. ( G-d in physical form.)

I love a chance to use a theistic argument against another theist. To wit: How can God create himself? To do that he would have to exist before himself, which is clearly illogical. Also: If God was created IN time and space, that means the universe existed before God did, and therefore He couldn't have created that either.

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AS for keeping someone alive for the purpose of torture.
Where did you get that idea? It isn't scriptural.

Mt. 25:41 - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Any finite crime can be repaid with a finite punishment, but NO, God has to send us into a pit of everlasting fire, where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. EVERLASTING fire. Now what other term besides eternal torture is there for this?

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Scripture says this: WE are eternal beings. We live forever. That is how we were created. G-d's plan is for us to spend eternity with HIM. IF we choose not to....well....we will of necessity spend eternity AWAY from HIM>...which, is basically your HELL place. Of course, HELL was originally created for HaSatan and HIS followers...not for man. But you can go there is you like. It's a choice

Funny, I haven't seen any scripture supporting the idea that WE are eternal beings. On the other hand...

Job 7:9 - As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.

Ec. 3:19 - For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
3:20 - All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ec. 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ec. 9:10 - Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might;for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Is. 26:14 - They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

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04-05-2003, 12:01 AM	#11
NumberTenOx Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 284	Wow, YESHUA Metatron MEMRA admo Kadmon HaSatan hours of Google enjoyment! I especially enjoyed this Metatron site, brings back memories. Seriously, I think the "sun" thing is just an attempt to say that it's not arrogant to think of God as all-powerful, because he just is all-powerful. I just think it's arrogant to claim to know anything about God.

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