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Old 03-10-2002, 06:33 PM   #1
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Post What Al-Quran says about itself ???

Dear brothers and sisters,

Please read on carefully:

First of all, I would like to clarify that Al-Quran is NOT the book of muslims. But, it has been send for the whole mankind, for you, from our Creator.

Most of the so called muslims never read the book of Allah (an Arabic word for God, no muslims God) with understanding and they won't allow others to read.

So, dear brothers and sisters of all religions, please be sure that this is not ONLY the book of muslims but it is a clear and open message from our Lord for the whole mankind.

We read the book for our safety, to protect ourselves from the fire of hell. Have you done so? You don't know what Al-Quran is? What is it about? Please read on:

What about Al-Quran?

"Will they not then ponder on the Quran? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much contradiction" 4:82

1). Does it mean Quran does not contain any contradiction?
2). Does it mean any book on the earth has much contradictions?
3). Does it mean that no body can write such book?
4). What is the authenticity of this book that it is revealed from Allah(God) and protected?
5). What is this book about?
6). What does it deal with?
7). Why to read and follow this book?
8). Why should I believe in it?? No, No, It cannot be like that, I doubted.

Q1. Does it mean Quran does not contain any contradiction?
A1. Yes! Quran does not contain any contradiction. As per 4:82 which is translated above.


Q2. Does it mean any book on the earth has much contradictions?
A2. Yes! As per 4:82 other than Quran all the books on earth contain contradictions. That is the reason 4:82 starts with "Will they not then ponder on the Quran". The reason could be any, such as: "to find an error". "to find a contradiction", "to find the guidance", or for any purpose.


Q3. Does it mean that no body can write such book?
A3. Yes! Thats true, no body can make/write a book like Quran. See what Allah(God) said about this "Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another". 17:88

You can see its an open challange from Allah.


Q4. What is the authenticity of this book that it is revealed from Allah(God) and Protected?
A4. This book is revealed 1400 years back and say "Allah(God) has revealed the best of statements(Ahsanal Hadeeth), a Scripture consistent, paired, whereat do creep the skin of those who fear their Lord, so that their skin and their hearts soften at Allah's(God's) Reminder. Such is Allah's(God's) guidance, wherewith He guide whom He will. And him whom Allah(God) send astray, for him there is no guide".
39:23

"Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its GUARDIAN/PROTECTOR". 15:9


Q5. What is this book about?
A5. "Now we have revealed unto you a Scripture wherein is about you. Have you then no brain?". 21:10


Q6. What does it deal with?
A6. Quran deal with every topic in detail.

"And the day, when We raise in every nation a witness against them of their own folk, and We bring you as a witness against these. And we reveal the Scripture unto you as an explanation of all things(tibyaanalli kulli shaiy), and a guidance and a mercy and good tidings for those who have submitted". 16:89

Moreover, it says "In their history verily there is a lesson for men of understanding. It is no invented story but a confirmation of the existing (Scripture) and a detailed explanation of everything(tafseela kulla shaiy), and a guidance and a mercy for folk who believe". 12:111

"There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are people(group of different kinds) like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered". 6:38

"And verily We have displayed for mankind in this Quran all kinds of similitudes, but most of mankind refuse aught save disbelief". 17:89

"And verily We have displayed for mankind in this Quran all kinds of similitudes, but man is more than anything contentious". 18:54

"Verily, We have coined for mankind in this Quran all kinds of similitudes; and indeed if thou come unto them with a sign(aayah), those who disbelieve would verily exclaim: You are but trickesters!". 30:58


Q7. Why to read and follow this book?
A7. Because, Quran contains guidance towards the right path. As it says "Lo! This Quran guide unto that which is straightest, and give tidings unto the believers who do good works that theirs will be a great reward". 17:9

Is there only guidance of believers?

No, therein the Quran guidance is for the mankind. "The month of Ramadhan(fasting) in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind, and clear explanation of the guidance, and the Criterion(of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, number of other days. Allah(God) desire for you ease; He desire not hardship for you; and that you should complete the period, and that you should magnify
Allah(God) for having guided you and that peradventure you may be thankful" 2:185


Q8. Why should I believe in it? No, no, it cannot be like that, I doubted.
A8. "And if you are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave, then produce a surah(chapter) of the like thereof, and call your witnesses beside Allah(God) if you are truthful". 2:23

"And if you do it not - and you can NEVER do it - then guard yourselves against the fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones". 2:24*

"Most of them follow not but conjecture. Assuredly conjecture can by no means the place of truth, Lo! Allah(God) is Aware of what they do". 10:36

"And this Quran is not such as could ever be invented despite of Allah(God); but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds". 10:37

"Or say they: He has invented it? Say: Then bring a surah(chapter) like unto it, and call on all you can besides Allah(God), if you are truthful". 10:38

"Nay, but they denied that, the knowledge whereof they could not compass, and whereof the interpretation has not yet come unto them. Even so did those before them deny. Then see what was the consequence for the wrong-doers!" 10:39

"Do their minds command them to do this, or are they an outrageous folk?" 25:32

"Or say they: He has invented it? Nay, but they will not believe!" 25:33

"Then let them produce speech the like thereof, if they are truthful". 25:34

"Or were they created out of naught? Or are they the creators?" 25:35

"Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they are sure of nothing!" 25:36

"Or do they own the treasures of thy Lord? Or have they been given charge?" 25:37

"Or have they any stairway by means of which they overhear. Then let their listener produce some warrant manifest!" 25:38

"Or they say: He has invented it? Say: Then bring ten surahs(chapters), the like thereof, invented, and call on everyone you can beside Allah(God), if you are truthful!" 11:13

"And if they answer not your call, then know that it is revealed only in the knowledge of Allah(God); and that there is no God save Him. Will you then be of those who submitted(muslim)?" 11:14

May Allah guide us all toward the correct path.

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Old 03-10-2002, 06:38 PM   #2
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I think maybe this should be shot over to "Rants" where it belongs?

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Quote:
Originally posted by mmKhan:
<strong>Dear brothers and sisters,
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Was-salaam 'alek ya akhi.

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First of all, I would like to clarify that Al-Quran is NOT the book of muslims. But, it has been send for the whole mankind, for you, from our Creator.
</strong>

Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's a book for the whole of mankind, but it has some specific instructions for a specific portion of mankind: li-ilaafi Quraish, ilaafuhum rihlatu sh-shitaa' was-saif... - "to the convoy of Quraish; their convoy in the trip of winter and summer...".

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Most of the so called muslims never read the book of Allah (an Arabic word for God, no muslims God) with understanding and they won't allow others to read.
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If they allowed others to read it, the others would find some VERY nice things:

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Qur'an 3:169

wala tahsabanna lladhiina qutiluu fi sabiili llaahi amwaatan, bal ahyaa'un 'inda rabbihim yurzaquun

"And do not think those who were killed in the path of Allah as dead, but alive, receiving reward from their Lord".
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So, dear brothers and sisters of all religions, please be sure that this is not ONLY the book of muslims but it is a clear and open message from our Lord for the whole mankind.
</strong>

That's the same thing the Maseehiyyeen say about the Bible, but who's to compare them with the One True Deen? A'oodhu billaah!

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We read the book for our safety, to protect ourselves from the fire of hell.
</strong>

Why do you worship a God who sends people to Jahannam in the first place?

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Have you done so? You don't know what Al-Quran is? What is it about?
</strong>

It's about kissing Allah's Gluteus Maximus in order to get an eternal porno palace after death.

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Q1. Does it mean Quran does not contain any contradiction?
A1. Yes! Quran does not contain any contradiction. As per 4:82 which is translated above.
</strong>

No contradiction HAHAHA!!! Have a visit here, smart boy:

<a href="http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html</a>

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Q2. Does it mean any book on the earth has much contradictions?
A2. Yes! As per 4:82 other than Quran all the books on earth contain contradictions. That is the reason 4:82 starts with "Will they not then ponder on the Quran". The reason could be any, such as: "to find an error". "to find a contradiction", "to find the guidance", or for any purpose.
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My phone book has no contradictions at all, therefore my phone book is the word of Allah. QED.

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Q3. Does it mean that no body can write such book?
A3. Yes! Thats true, no body can make/write a book like Quran. See what Allah(God) said about this "Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another". 17:88

You can see its an open challange from Allah.
</strong>

And I challenge you to compose a sonnet like those of Shakespeare. Romeo and Juliet is the Word of Allah. QED.

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Q4. What is the authenticity of this book that it is revealed from Allah(God) and Protected?
A4. This book is revealed 1400 years back and say "Allah(God) has revealed the best of statements(Ahsanal Hadeeth), a Scripture consistent, paired, whereat do creep the skin of those who fear their Lord, so that their skin and their hearts soften at Allah's(God's) Reminder. Such is Allah's(God's) guidance, wherewith He guide whom He will. And him whom Allah(God) send astray, for him there is no guide".
39:23

"Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its GUARDIAN/PROTECTOR". 15:9
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I'm the King of Sweden. Proof? I say so. I guarantee it - would I lie? QED.

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Q6. What does it deal with?
A6. Quran deal with every topic in detail.
</strong>

Funny, I haven't found Intel x86 Assembly Language Programming covered in the Qur'an.


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Moreover, it says "In their history verily there is a lesson for men of understanding. It is no invented story but a confirmation of the existing (Scripture) and a detailed explanation of everything(tafseela kulla shaiy), and a guidance and a mercy for folk who believe". 12:111
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Wallaahi! So after Allah Omnimpotens gives one scripture (Tawraat) and another (Injeel), he needs a third (Qur'an) in order to confirm? Inna llaahi 'ala kulli shai'in khinzeer!

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Q8. Why should I believe in it? No, no, it cannot be like that, I doubted.
A8. "And if you are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave, then produce a surah(chapter) of the like thereof, and call your witnesses beside Allah(God) if you are truthful". 2:23

"And if you do it not - and you can NEVER do it - then guard yourselves against the fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones". 2:24*
</strong>

See above about Shakespeare sonnets, or Mozart's symphony, and I challenge you to produce one like them. The Book of Mormon has a similar challenge to produce a chapter like it. See here also:

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/revelquran.html" target="_blank">www.geocities.com/stmetanat/revelquran.html</a>

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May Allah guide us all toward the correct path.
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Allah himself is a mulhid (atheist) - why don't you become a mulhid just like Allah? Allah loves the mulhideen and grants them victory - surely ilhaad is the right path?

As-Salami on Bacon,
Wallaahi qubhaanu wata'aala
'amma qultu shaheed.
Saddaqa Allah is-sameen.
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Yeah, I like trouncing Islam... especially since the Muslim shuhadaa' (martyrs, ie suicide bombers) have been very active in my area lately...

The "Surah Like It" challenge is often toted by the Muslims for "proof" that the Qur'an cannot have been written but by Allah. The whole challenge is in fact a non-challenge, it's one great fallacy. Basically, the premises are:

1) The unique style of the Qur'an proves Allah is the author.
2) If you dispute this, produce a chapter in the style of the Qur'an as an argument.
3) Until you do so, the argument of the Qur'an as a human writing is still unproved.

You get the fallacy here? Let's not delve into the question of the existence of Allah, which has to be answered first before attributing books to him; premise 1) simply assumes the style of the Qur'an proves its divinity, but is it an acceptable premise? Shakespeare's sonnets and Mozart's symphonies are unique and inimitable too, but no-one assumes they are directly authored by God.

With the first premise blatantly shoved upon us, the Muslim apologist has "established" that the Qur'an is Allah's work, and the other premises demand that we disprove the divinity of the Qur'an! In other words: this is a classic shifting of the burden of proof.

But the Qur'an itself says: "... bring a Surah like it; and if you do not - and you never will - then fear the fire of hell" etc (see my article <a href="http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/revelquran.html" target="_blank">Revelation - Qur'an</a> for the full verse, with Arabic source); so since the Muslim believer is already fixated in that the Qur'an is Allah's scripture, he will never accept any attempt of a "Surah like it" as valid disproof of the Qur'an's divinity. So the "Surah like it" challenge isn't just a fallacy, it's a no-win challenge! To think that so many people lead their lives and thoughts on the basis of such a fallacious, snaring ploy is horrifying...
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I'm sorry Mr Khan but you're bringing this to people who couldn't care less what al-quran has to say. There's a nice little website two clicks down the cyber highway whose patrons may indulge you, it's called the baptist board. Enjoy!


Oh dear edited for awful grammar slip up.

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Finally… a book that is perfect in every way, free from mistake or contradiction, a book that no mere mortal could possibly write, one that reveals all knowledge for all people. And we know it must be true because… well because it says so… and we can believe it because it is perfect.

Why it must be the word of God… either that or the word of a slick desert conman who suckered a bunch of ignorant goatherds into dying for a make-believe deity.
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