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ashibaka · 09-10-2002, 04:33 PM

I am absolutely fed up with Creationists trying to jab evolution defenders with the imaginary pitchfork of Kent Hovind's "challenge".

So, I started my own challenge. So now, when the subject comes up, we can point out to all those Creationists that money-wise, we trump them in challenges! (Yeah, there's Randi's challenge, but you know how well these people can whine about the meaning of "paranormal"...)

<a href="http://home.attbi.com/~ashitaka/creationism.html" target="_blank">http://home.attbi.com/~ashitaka/creationism.html</a>

Do not complain about how unfair this challenge is; I took it nearly verbatim from Hovind's page (fixing it to remove his stupid opinions about evolution).

scigirl · 09-10-2002, 04:45 PM

Cool, ashibaka,

so what will you do if someone really *does* prove God exists?? I'll loan ya a couple bucks. . .

scigirl

tgamble · 09-10-2002, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by scigirl:
Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the creation of the Universe by God (option 1 above, under "known options") is the only possible way the observed phenomena could have come into existence.

Is this just a "god was a first cause" type thing or do you have to prove he did it 6000 years ago exactly as described in Genesis. If the later, which version of the myth are you talking about?

As long as you're making the offer as phony as Hovind's, why not offer a billion $$?

Hayden · 09-10-2002, 05:15 PM

You can have a couple of my bucks, although they're not worth much...

HR

ashibaka · 09-10-2002, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tgamble:
Is this just a "god was a first cause" type thing or do you have to prove he did it 6000 years ago exactly as described in Genesis. If the later, which version of the myth are you talking about?

Good point! Hovind's wording screwed up my Challenge a little (he wanted people to prove option 3, which is the same as the option 3 in my challenge. Great "evolution challenge", huh?). I'll fix the wording so it's clear we're talking about Creationism.

[edit] On second thought, then I'd have to rewrite the whole thing. Well, it's an impossible Challenge either way, so whatever.

[ September 10, 2002: Message edited by: ashibaka ]

tgamble · 09-10-2002, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by ashibaka:


Good point! Hovind's wording screwed up my Challenge a little (he wanted people to prove option 3, which is the same as the option 3 in my challenge. Great "evolution challenge", huh?). I'll fix the wording so it's clear we're talking about Creationism.

Don't forget to point out that you have to prove ALL other possibilites wrong. Some examples are

Apparance of age

The IPU did it.

Other God's did it.

The Devil wrote the bible to decieve people

Remember, to emulate Hovind's offer, you first have to flush logic and reason down the shitter.

Go nuts! Demand interviews with the alleged witnesses (Noah and his family for the flood. If you want to include flood geology) Full color video tapes of the events! etc.

ashibaka · 09-10-2002, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by tgamble:
Go nuts! Demand interviews with the alleged witnesses (Noah and his family for the flood. If you want to include flood geology) Full color video tapes of the events! etc.

If you'd like to help me write a full-fledged silliness website like that, I'd be glad to

but I have so much schoolwork to do and so few hours in a day. X_x; Ah, well, the Institute for Unicorn Research does a good job already.

[ September 10, 2002: Message edited by: ashibaka ]

[ September 10, 2002: Message edited by: ashibaka ]

Duvenoy · 09-10-2002, 05:36 PM

I await the reports of your challengers with baited breath (baited breath is why I have so few friends).

Hovind is considered an embarrassing clown even among much of the YEC community. I greatly enjoy just keeping track of his antics.

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/</a>

doov

09-10-2002, 04:33 PM	#1
ashibaka Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cloudy Water Posts: 443	Ashibaka's $250,001 Creationism Challenge I am absolutely fed up with Creationists trying to jab evolution defenders with the imaginary pitchfork of Kent Hovind's "challenge". So, I started my own challenge. So now, when the subject comes up, we can point out to all those Creationists that money-wise, we trump them in challenges! (Yeah, there's Randi's challenge, but you know how well these people can whine about the meaning of "paranormal"...) <a href="http://home.attbi.com/~ashitaka/creationism.html" target="_blank">http://home.attbi.com/~ashitaka/creationism.html</a> Do not complain about how unfair this challenge is; I took it nearly verbatim from Hovind's page (fixing it to remove his stupid opinions about evolution).

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09-10-2002, 04:45 PM	#2
scigirl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,261	Cool, ashibaka, so what will you do if someone really does prove God exists?? I'll loan ya a couple bucks. . . scigirl

09-10-2002, 05:15 PM	#4
Hayden Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 712	You can have a couple of my bucks, although they're not worth much... HR

09-10-2002, 05:36 PM	#8
Duvenoy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Just another hick from the sticks. Posts: 1,108	I await the reports of your challengers with baited breath (baited breath is why I have so few friends). Hovind is considered an embarrassing clown even among much of the YEC community. I greatly enjoy just keeping track of his antics. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/</a> doov

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