christ-on-a-stick

Denial of WHAT? You have yet to produce any evidence that your God exists and that your Holy Book is any different than the multitudes of other "holy scriptures" and myths of mortal men.

As far as the "you haven't looked for all the evidence" part, it would behoove you to realize that many many MANY of the ex-Christians on this board can probably run circles around you in terms of biblical knowledge and theological argument. In addition, most of us while still believers did indeed search long and hard for truth, and beseeched God to show himself to us to no avail.
I would suggest reading the "Atheists Testimony" thread in the Secular Lifestyle & Support forum in order to disabuse yourself of the blatantly false notion that ex-Christians "just didn't look for all the evidence". My aspiration? To live life to the fullest, considering it's the only one I've got. I prefer reality to fantasy, even if that fantasy might be "comforting". No, I don't read the Old Testament anymore.

Magus55

What kind of evidence would you consider acceptable? Here you go - this shows the accuracy of the New testament - more so thany a multitude of other famous books that most people don't refute.

http://www.carm.org/evidence/trustbible.htm

Of course you'll just claim thats not evidence. Just like this.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.html

I can post links all day on the evidence of the accuracy of the Bible both from it and from outside sources including Archealogical discoveries of the actual events, places, tombs mentioned in the Bible.

But since no matter what Christians give you - you claim its false - considering eyewitness testimony is usable in court - you would think the eyewitness testimony in the Bible carries weight - afterall - do you believe in any other historic accounts only found in books? Columbus, Ceasar, Greeks, etc? Why, they can only be found in historic books with much less proven accuracy than the Bible.

Amos

Am I allowed to conclude from this that your life, as you perceive it now, is not worth living?

This same "world" you describe here as "sick" is crammed with heaven for others . . . including atheists-- except that they may not call it that.

philechat

Dear Magus55:

Why don't you go to the Biblical Criticism & Archeology forum? They would take care of your "evidences" there.

Good luck!

lpetrich

Magus55:
How could it not be? Go jump in a Volcano and tell me if that would be fun for you to spend the rest of eternity...

QoS:
As opposed to spending eternity with people like you?

Krakatoa, here I come!

That's a good one, O QoS!

Though a volcano like Hawaii may be a better pick for lava fluidity.

Magus55:
Circumcision served the same purpose as water Baptism does today - its a sign of washing ( cutting) away ones sins.

And, of course, god changed his mind along the way.

Magus55:
Whats wrong with people like me? Just because i don't want you fall into Satan's lies and would rather you be in Heaven and enjoy Jesus' love? Yes i am evil aren't I...

Magus55, can't you accept that you and your fundie friends are not universally loved as superior human beings?

LP:
Which is contrary to a common solution of the Problem of Evil -- that evil is necessary in order to produce some greater good. One wonders why god doesn't create Heaven and be done with it.

Magus55:
Evil isn't necessary to produce good - God is the creator of good - no good comes but from him. But since humans are sinful and follow evil ways - he can use that evil to turn it into good.

So people can commit sins while in Heaven?

Unanswered is why a supposedly benevolent deity would not simply abolish Hell.

LP:
Don't make me laugh. The Bible is full of inaccuracies and illogic.

Magus55:
Care to show me an example from the Bible? And you just saying "because God created a 15 billion year old universe in 6 days" doesn't count.

Check these Biblical Errancy pages for numerous examples. I'll give a few highlights:

The genealogies in Matthew and Luke contradict each other -- and Joseph is presented as Jesus Christ's stepfather, not as his biological father.

The details of Jesus Christ's resurrection contradict each other between the Gospels.

Likewise, the Gospel of John contradicts the Synoptics about how much time that Jesus Christ had spent in Jerusalem, what the reaction of the authorities was to JC's temple temper tantrum -- among other details.

Jesus Christ's cursing of a certain fig tree does not seem like an act of super benevolence.

The two creation stories in Genesis contradict each other on the order of creation.

Story #1 has fruit trees created before the Sun, while story #2 does not explain how that mischievous snake had moved around before it was ordered to crawl on its belly.

LP:
(the Koran)
It's not much worse than the Bible in that regard.

Magus55:
Shrug, no human on Earth has ever been able to disprove it - more than i can say for the Qur'an.

LP:
(on the Islamic paradise with its harems of pretty ladies for Muslim men...)
What's so horrible about that?

Magus55:
Not even gonna comment on that - if you actually believe thats righteous and good - you have more issues than disbelief.

C'mon, Magus55, wouldn't you want your very own harem of lovelies? If it's OK for the kings in the Bible to have lots of wives and concubines, then what about you?

(Koran contradictions)
Like those in the Bible?

LP:
[bYes, because it would be better than being around self-righteous fundie assholes.[/b]

Magus55:
How am i self-righteous? I deserve Hell just as much as you - i don't consider myself better than you.

Just look at all the fundies who wave around Pascal's Wager as if theirs is the only religion that can possibly be true.

(the Koran on how women are to be subject to men...)

Care to show me scripture from the Bible?

But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. (1 Cor 11:3)

(why men should be bare-headed and women should have covered heads...)
For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man._For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man;_for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake._Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. (1 Cor 11:7-10)

The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands. (1 Cor 14:34-35)

Magus55:
At least in a world this sick, Christians have something to look forward to - where is your aspiration? You hear of murders, rapes, slaughtering of babies, genocide, hate, war, disease, famine, disaster on a daily basis and yet the only peace you retain from all the horror is that in a few decades you cease to exist.

Except that we believe that nobody will be suffering eternal torture in some volcanolike realm.

Magus55:
What kind of evidence would you consider acceptable? Here you go - this shows the accuracy of the New testament - more so thany a multitude of other famous books that most people don't refute.

How is the New Testament much greater than Herodotus or Thucydides or Polybius or Tacitus or other Greco-Roman historians?

There is good reason to be suspicious of the NT's accounts of Jesus Christ -- he is depicted as a revered founder figure, and revered founder figures tend to collect myths -- to the point of obscuring the original beyond recognition.

If one rejects the story that Romulus and Remus, if they had existed, had been sons of a god and a virgin, then it is entirely reasonable to reject the story of Jesus Christ having been the son of a god and a virgin.

If one rejects the story that the Roman Emperor Vespasian had once cured some people with his spit, then why not also reject the story of Jesus Christ doing the same?

If one rejects the story that Apollonius of Tyana had raised a little girl from the dead, then why not also reject Jesus Christ's similar raisings from the dead?

Magus55:
I can post links all day on the evidence of the accuracy of the Bible both from it and from outside sources including Archealogical discoveries of the actual events, places, tombs mentioned in the Bible.

True, some of the Bible is legitimate history, but does Heinrich Schliemann finding Troy indicate the existence of the deities of Mt. Olympus?

(eyewitness testimony...)

Except that some of this supposed "eyewitness testimony" isn't.

JubalsCall

Thanks for the advice "atheist_in_foxhole." I'll look into it.
But just always remember to take your own advice. I hope that both Christians and non-Christians might look into their beliefs and continually challenge them. I'm really glad I found this site.

Tibbs

Debbie T

I thought it was a sure sign of cutting away ones skins.

Amie

Hi atheist
yes I understand that you believe it is a fantasy but people do not believe in God simply because they reject the notion of ceasing to exist.
delusions? have you ever contemplated the possibility that you could be wrong about your "there is no afterlife" stance? I really am not intending to be antagonsitic, I am genuinely curious.

ju'iblex

what, no vices like greed? I cant imagine why a religion that promotes giving up your worldy goods to be closer to god would then reward you in heaven with items which quite obviously are only worth something because humans attribute worth to them. If all we're supposed to be doing is basking in gods love and being one with the big kahoona, what need is there for shelter in a place with no weather? what use is water when you dont drink? what use are roads when you dont need to walk?

makes no sense to me.

Old Man

Everyone will accept their fate, for fate on the day of judgment is of one's own choosing.