Jobar

[low & foul comment]
So... Sabine... why should anyone pay attention to the judgement of a minister preacher or priest over another altar boy?
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Sabine Grant

Bonjour Jobar.....my reply was to point to the futility of ministers sentencing other human beings to hell and how their criteria seems to not fit Christ's criteria.
Molesting a child is a crime. To be dealt with thru human justice here and now.
I never implied that crimes must be ignored.
My reply was to the specific example Ronin brought up in his OP. Which related to the comments of a priest during a funeral establishing that a human being will go to hell.
I do not ever validate human judgement based on the spiritual state of another person.
I have been submitted to other christians'judgement because of my differing from whichever dogma they wish to abide to. The need for other humans to impose punishment on any person who differs spiritualy must be ignored. According to this passage in Matthew 25, the claim to follow Christ is not the criteria....dispensing goodness onto others is what validates the claim.

Milton

I tend to believe the priest, in that case. My view of Catholic priests is that they are too liberal, and for one to even make such claim, I have to believe that the deceased was indeed that bad. And going to the building does not make him any better than whatever he was.

So, the claim that he stopped attending only a year earlier does not prove anything. In fact, it pretty much proves the priest's point, that he was lukewarm--neither there nor here.

They just need to get over it. People don't even believe in hell anymore. So what is the problem with someone telling them their relative went to hell?



AS for the preacher, I think he did the right thing as well. I have always wondered why people never tell the truth, everytime I would see or attend a funeral they would say that they are going to heaven.

TomboyMom

Is it me or is this the funniest thing you've read in weeks? It's not a parody, right?

Rene

Sabine Grant

Bonjour Milton...." I have always wondered why people do not tell the truth..." what do you mean by the truth? or do you mean an evaluation of what they believe a human being should deserve in the afterlife? if so.... on what evidence can they make that evaluation by pronouncing judgement of another individual?

Milton

I mean the truth as in what the religious beliefs are. I am not here to argue about what religion or non-religion is the keeper of the absolute truth, or whether there is an absolute truth. My comment is in direct relation to the religious belief of both priest and preacher.

So, yes, there is finally a sing of honesty in some. At least there are some who do not compromise their beliefs.

Grim_reaper722

Sounds like something a priest would say.

Sabine Grant

Honesty...? you mean by making any evaluation of what destination the soul of a human being takes? it is ONLY an evaluation though. Thru limited understanding and knowledge of another human being.
Honesty IMO is to not make any claims of knowledge of where that soul will go.......is to abstain from establishing judgement. It is to demonstrate humility by abstaining from being a spokesperson for God.
A funeral is a time for closure and acceptance that the loved one has departed from this life. It is a time to say good bye and move on while undertaking the process of grieving . It should never be a place where anyone makes any claims as to where a soul is bound to go.
As a believer I stand with the conviction that God has never given me the right to pass any judgement on the spiritual state of another human being and claim knowledge of his afterlife.
So I disagree with you.

JGL53

Being an ex-Southern Baptist, believe me, I've heard THIS one more than once before, many times from a pulpit. When push comes to shove, the vast majority of religionists will say this, or something quite similar.

But I strongly suspect that only about one per cent actually mean it. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, S.G., I will assume you are in that elite one per cent, and NOT a bull-shitting pompous ass like the vast majority. Congratulations.

Sabine Grant

Thanks for opting for the benefit of the doubt. It is quite refreshing.