sweep

There’s a big problem in our world today. SEX. It isn’t so much the act itself; sex is something most of us do and enjoy, it’s all the rest of it that's the problem. You know, the babies. Why should sex be a problem? Contraception is widespread and easily available. We can enjoy sex responsibly, and prevent STD’s that plague regions where large numbers of people are concentrated.

But the fact is, we DO have a problem. Sure, sex is important, it brings us fun, and stress relief. But that isn’t the only import. Sex brings children. And that is what is more important.

Stress relief?... I don’t think so. The strain on society today, created by masses of children that aren’t cared for. A lot of kids don’t have a male role model, most don’t even develop properly, since McDonald started appealing to his ‘little consumers’. In this country, England, there are thousands of kids who aren’t getting a real education; they’re getting addicted to heroin and other harmful drugs earlier in their lives, replacing most of their common language with even commoner alternatives, and 'banging' as soon as physically possible. Do you think that a lot of these kids even have enough money for condoms? Sweets when you’re young, drugs and sex when you ‘grow up’. That’s what the common trash get. Common trash, you say? Well that’s what you get for feeding kids sweet things. 'Shut that little bastard up for now! Give it some candy. That’s the first step anyhow. Then when they start to want more you have a bigger problem. All give and take? Well, where’s the benefit in a kid that’s given nothing from the start? So what do they do. Steal things. That’s the second step: Politicians say crack down. Kids say crack up! Lock ‘em up, feed em more sweets. Are they insane? They should be, by now. ‘Shut UP, we don’t like you banging pots and pans!’ It does sound childish, but that’s all it is, dressed in adult clothing. It’s laziness with another name. The criminals get drugs in prison, and get out with ‘more or less’ the same options, only they’ve picked up some new habits along the way.

This is what is happening. The NOB HEADs are fucking again. They’re poor, uneducated and they can’t afford condoms. What is a NOB HEAD. Well, it’s a man with more hormones than brain cells. Their idea of heaven is as many lovers as humanely possible, a BMW, a playstation, and no responsibility. *Sweep drops in on a random conversation between ‘the lads’ at my gym*. ‘fuck this, fuck that. Easy, Leroy! He’s got no problems fucking; hung like a horse, ‘cause’ he’s black, and has A BMW. He must be set for life’ sez the lads. (Wishes we have access to firearms in this country)

It isn’t so much men I hate, more of a distaste for a particular aspect of gender. Probably got ‘clit-heads’ too. Not surprising given the ‘eyes-to balls correlation’. As ‘my friend’ once noted: ‘dirty bitch, she enjoys sucking cocks’ said he ‘come to think of it, I’ve tried oral on a couple of girls and, yes, The prospect of ‘sucking cock’ as a hobby is really attractive! Is that why they call it a blow job?’ said I. On the other hand, ‘perhaps she craves affection too, but HAS to suck cock so that her man doesn’t walk away?’

So, it isn’t wrong to have sex, but it’s wrong, in my opinion, to irresponsibly blow ones’ wad, and walk away. Not the most controversial subject ever created, I admit. But how about if I suggest legal reform? What if we were to rethink family values? How wrong would it be to get an optional neutering service implemented? If you choose to be promiscuous, why not get neutered? Save us all the hassle of having to deal with legions of next gen, crack whores, and nob heads. Oh, I do care about the children, but when I know its yours, it isn’t going to be a ‘good’ thing. How many thousands are missing the ‘big picture’? Half an hour of fun, isn’t wrong, but when that life is created you can be certain it’s going to cost a hell of a lot more than ten million sperm.

Not laughing yet? I end this little piece with a sketch from the late Bill Hicks:

"Where'd this idea that childbirth is a miracle come from? I missed that fuckin’ meeting, Ok?

It’s a miracle! childbith is a miracle. No it's not. It’s no more a miracle than eating food and a turd coming out of your ass, alright? It’s a chemical reaction. That’s all it fuckin’ is

And just in case you haven’t seen the single mom statistics lately, the miracle is spreading like wild-fire

Haa-le-luya! trailer parks and council flats all over the world just filling up with little miracles:

Thunk, thunk- like frogs laying eggs - thunk – look at all my little miracles- thunk - filling up my trailer like a sardine can- thunk- you know what would be a real miracle? if I could remember your daddys name- hhnng- thunk- I guess I’ll have to call you lorry driver junior- tttthunk- that’s all I remember about your daddy- was his fuzzy little pot belly ridin’ on top of me and shooting his caffeine-ridden semen into my belly to produce my little water head miracle babies- whoop!- thunk- there’s your brother pizza boy delivery junior haaaleluya!

Just hang on a minute, lets figure out this food/air deal OK? Okay..

How about a neat world for kids to come to?"

sweep

anyone with just a little knowledge of discourse analysis can see that this message conveys more a sense of me.

Even though my message says a lot of our modern world, the fact that I have had none (zero) replies is worrying. when I am completely honest with my audience (whoever you might be) you might recognise the ultimate in meanness, in that my message appeals more to me than to the real content therein.

This is the ultimate insult that I could possibly convey to an audience. The fact that I don't really care that much for this issue, and would rather further my credibility in constructing this view, probably reflects the (zero) result. Is this true. I can't be sure, but I suspect, self deception. My nature does me no credit. The nature of a breeder does them none also.

The fact that I have been born as shit, have been fed 'sweet things', means that I know a lot about meanness. I am the evil that you have all avoided.

As I question my motives in this state of mind, it does help me to be critical. I don't value my message: it is meaningless. It is an insult. No one has even bothered to dignify it with an affront. It is a joke, but it hasn't been moved. I can see in a mind full of confidence and irreverence how such a post might be born.

While the reality of my own irreverence: my perverse nature; of my badness- is unseen to me, except in the most abject conditions, my cause is further perverted in committing philosophical suicide.

Despite the truth of my words, there is a conflict, and I want to care. But I am weak. Had these words been typed with the heart of someone that really cares, and acts, my message might have carried more weight. As it stands, I am all the more of a fool for misjudging the hearts of my audience. If you were fooled, that is alright, but only if you gained any insight into the world of a spoiled being. If you didn't then, time wasted. never mind.

Neuter ignorant people who fuck without thought of consequence? NO, perhaps a vasectomy, would be more of a solution to beings without light. You want evil; these beings will make theirselves heard. I reflect their broken hearts. if you don't believe me, I don't care.

weeps

lunachick

Anger management classes, perhaps?

sweep

a vasetomy would reduce testosterone levels, thus ameliorating the occurrence of rape and domestic violence, in those who were raised in an indifferent world.

I'm not sure how effective anger management classes would be. Doctors are a cheap commercial solution to the problems created in an uncaring environment, IMO. Sickness, requires love. Doctors resources are limited, so why can men be so uncaring to women who offer the valuable resource of affection? Why are women treated as sperm depots?

Dr Rick

A vasectomy does not significantly influence testosterone levels, nor is there an established correlation between testosterone levels and rape or domestic violence.

Rick

sweep

yes, my view offers a limited picture of complicated social events, but I believe that testosterone does affect levels of rape and domestic violence. If you (kindly) offered me some links I could review the studies, and make up my own mind. Even then I don't trust doctors based on the information that they are 'doctors'. Who can I really trust dr.rick- what makes a stupid person trust a doctor? In other word we/I need 'love Doctors'. Love=trust

besides, a vasectomy would prevent the proliferation of unsupported children, which would solve many social Ills.

Purple Smartie

Men's Health Articles

NYTimes article about testosterone

More Testosterone


Remember that correlation is NOT causation... even if rapists had higher levels of testosterone it wouldn't necessarily mean that the testosterone is causing them to be rapists.

ju'iblex

the problem is, there is no clear evidence of an argument in your OP whatsoever. Whilst I can see from your opening sentence that you intend on arguing that sex hasa become a major problem in society, but then you drift off into.... god knows where, because i certainly have no clue. And im going to hazard a guess that nobody else does either, hence the overwhelming response to your thread.

for example, you go from:

• PROPOSITION:

• sex is bad although it shouldnt have to be
• but it is a problem anyway because of children
• stress relief isnt a valid counter argument because
  
  
  A) creates unwanted children
  B) something about the way English children grow up and the 'customs' surrounding an English commoner childhood
  C) some ranting about candy....
  D) and a tangent about laziness
  
  
• and then there are nob head, uneducated poor men with more sex-drive than brain-cells, and how they act, and why you hate it
• but you dont hate the men, but moreso the gender roles attributed to masculinity, <im guessing referring to the 'knock up as many chicks as possible>.
• and this is further evidenced by something about oral sex.
• CONCLUSION: Its irresponsible to have one-night-stands and be promiscuous.
• and then some joke by Bill Hicks.

it is impossible to counter argue something which counter argues itself, and makes no sense to anyone else but the poster to begin with. unless i have it all wrong, feel free to enlighten me, because i for one am very confused.

sweep

just for you ju'iblex. See, you would make a good mother because you've taken time to hear me out, and given me some love.

It's funny that you thought my most coherent post to date is incoherent.

drugs must have screwed my head really bad. So.... here goes.

sex is good. but the problem is a lot of people make babies that aren't loved. Its alright to be promiscuous but... contraception doesn't seem to be working for a lot of people.

the cycle perpetuates itself.

Breeders only care about fucking. They don't see the bigger picture. they don't see consequences. they are only willing to invest their gametes. these are people who aren't well educated. These people are poor, they aren't given much.

society offers them instant stimulation. they are kept quiet with strong tastes, such as drugs, candy & television. This makes them more impulsive and makes their attention span shorter.
These people don't develop well in the brain. They are fed 'fast food' because it is cheaper, more efficient and costs less in terms of time. Parents don't have to care.

give and take: poor children are more commonly raised by one parent. Usually a poor mother, who also happens to be impulsive and lazy. Child Investment is low since all her energy goes into strong tastes: candy, cigarettes, TV. Can you see the cyclic nature of people born and raised with these conditions?

Drugs impair new children since the parent is usually a product of the impulsive candy culture: Feed them sweet things and they won't make a noise: kids shout, 'feed me; pay me attention'
mother shouts: 'shut up, i'm smoking and watching TV. Have some sweets'- it's the easy, lazy method of parenting.

The solution to these 'adult' children, who continue to make noise, is to lock them up and feed them more drugs. This occurs in psychiatry, especially when the kids start getting mental illness, and it occurs in prisons. The 'adult' children create more stress for society by being more impulsive and taking things. They have unhealthy desires since they were brought up to be addicted and impulsive due to our 'candy culture'.

masculinity. side issue. I hate it. The whole madonna/whore viewpoint. Women are 'dirty'. They enjoy 'sucking dick' as a hobby?! Perhaps women are forced into this view since men see this is the only thing that women are good for? A complicated issue. (Equating purity with morality is folly?) Girls which grow up as a consequence of the breeder mentality, are forced into prostitution & pornography, because they have little brain-power and or no choice. Their only power is in 'sucking up' to males, often resulting in young pregnancy, and/or addiction to drugs. Have you seen the lack of respect in pornography. Their worthlessness as people, is reflected in the treatment that goes on in this dark world. They are USED as sperm depots. Their only crime was being born as a consequence of the breeder mentality. They were given sparce care as children, and their only hope as girls Is to be subject to the same mentality in which they were conceived.

The joke at the end: the only effort put into bringing children into the world: like eating food and a turd coming out of your ass- an analogy to what the child will become. The kid is nothing but a turd, UNLESS it is given proper care, and loved well. The real miracle is in the love that the parent offers. It takes more than just ten million sperm to create a life.


With all due respect ju'iblex, I think you were overcomplicating my subject (a bit) with your intellect. Perhaps I'm wrong- you can't read minds, so I have to make myself clearer, and I will. one more thing...

Do you remember that big rant we had ages ago on this matter? Infinity Lovers thread was on making things simple, and of overcomplicating matters with intellect. Sure, I'm being picky, but the main area of contention was on how well we can judge one anothers mood and intonation. I argued that we don't need a disclaimer as in... I don't mean to be rude... Well I think the ruder we are (see bill hicks joke) the better we communicate. So when I say I'm very angry and what you write looks a bit odd, you know what I mean.

In any case ju'iblex, I'm really pleased you took an interest in this heated ('cause' it makes me angry) subject, and I'll shut up now because I am scared that you might be offended and leave me on my own (which is pretty much the way some kids feel when their mums don't take the time to read between the lines. I hope you realise what I am on to)

*some of the themes in this topic can be seen in the cohen brothers film, Raising Arizona. It's really funny. I recommend it.*

ju'iblex

god, i never want to hear my name <be it an alias or whatnot> and the words "good mother" in a sentence again.

but anyway, youre making far more sense to me now, but my problem is now what your proposition is. Whilst i originally thought you were arguing that the physicality of sex was the problem, now what i'm hearing is that the culture and education surrounding sex in the western world is the problem, especially the disregard for the consequences of sex. Although it does seem to diverge into the problem of the "instant pleasure" which our society craves. In which case, if i have heard rightly, i am quite willing to agree with you and im sure many others will. but yes, far more sense is made now, i understand completely what youre talking about, even how the tangents relate. thankyou.
it has nothing to do with intellect, the points i drew were directly from the paragraphs in your post, with very little analysis of them. To be completely honest, i got the distinct impression i was over-simplifying it, after all, it is a rather large broad subject to be dealing with.

heh, yes i do remember. i think that was just one of the biggest misunderstandings ever come to think of it. but, i do understand.

me offended? goodness no, i might get pissed <exceedingly difficult to do, unless you wrote something completely ignorant like "homosexuals deserve to be executed at the age of 21"> but never offended.