mfaber

I thought I was telling that to Madfish about this one, not you. I guess you have decided to speak for her (whatever).

You have evidence that the Bible was inspired by God? The only verifiable FACT is that it was written by MEN. It was these men who claimed to be inspired by a conveniently invisible "Authority" who only "spoke" to them and offered absolutely no evidence that that was indeed the case. Just believe or eat steel you evil non-believer you!

But we are animals, just ones that have learned to manipulate our environment.

Again you offer no evidence that God (no evidence that your suppposed authority exists) actually "gave " these orders. The only verifiable FACT is that it was MEN who wrote the "orders"

And I too will stop here so as not to hijack this thread into another discussion about homosexuality.

Badfish

I'm sorry I was discussing, and then I left to go do something, and my wife came down and logged into my computer (we have our own computers) intending to say something but she didn't, so I sat back down and realized that I was logged in as Madfish!!

I apologize for that, any writing done today has been by me, sorry for the confusion.

So what "Madfish" said was what I really said.

wildernesse

I consider much of what is promoted on CF as false teaching--as I consider much of fundamental Christianity false teaching. On an earlier thread here on II, a poster mentioned that one of things that was oppressive about Christianity was that questioning often meant that the questioner was attacked or shunned.

I totally agree. CF follows in a long line of Christian traditions that does not allow open discussion of religion. Personally, I don't think humans can be derrogatory to God--if God's GOD then how can I degrade him. I might degrade people's limited views of IT, but maybe they're not all they're cracked up to be in the first place.

Who decides false teaching? If an idea is not even allowed to be mentioned, how does anyone understand WHY it is false? If people who have different views aren't allowed, doesn't that smack of fear and weakness? That your views can't take a good discussion? What is it worth if it must be never visited and placed outside contemplation?

--tibac

wildernesse

How can opinions be against the rules? The means of expressing your opinion might be against the rules, but I'm not aware of a rule against holding certain ideas.

--tibac

Badfish

But you see, even if this is possible, it is not recognized as truth at CF, it is a good debate for sure, but it is not a view that CF and it's representatives hold. Although there a bunch of these threads going on at CF.

CF believes and adheres to the fact that the bible is infallible and God's word is truth, so given the nature of the forum, it doesn't matter. It's a Christian Board with Christian beliefs.

So you see your argument is certainly valid, but not valid for justifying the rules or determining what CF and it's representatives should consider.

See what I'm saying?

pz

The bible is irrelevant. It's old superstitions, nothing more.I don't know why you keep bringing up this red herring of a "gay gene".

However, let's think it through. Let's assume that there is no heritable trait that imposes homosexuality on an individual.

There is a corollary to that, of course: that means there is no heritable predisposition for heterosexuality. Our sexual preferences are a consequence of development, environment, culture, opportunity, experience, a complex mixture of influences, and this is as true for my heterosexuality (or yours) as it is for someone else's homosexuality.

How is this less compelling than your mythical "gay gene"?

Would you feel that because your sexual orientation is not fixed by some inaccessible property of the genome that somehow it is therefore more labile, and that you could, given sufficient incentive, simply will your personal sexual turn-ons out of existence, and adopt a completely different set? I've always been a bit surprised at how lacking in empathy and that apocryphal Christian Compassion you True Christians are -- that you can't see that no matter what the cause, homosexuals are as much a prisoner of their passions as we heterosexuals are. I'm also baffled by your peculiar notions of sexuality: do you really believe that you "chose" to be heterosexual? That there was some point in your life where you made a conscious decision that you'd get excited by the sight of a breast rather than a penis?

Personally, I'd rather see everyone find whatever love they can get, in any reciprocal arrangement that makes both partners happy. People who want to blight such arrangements in others because they don't match their personal preferences, or even worse, don't fit the ignorant dogma of a bunch of long-dead, hateful xenophobes, seem to me to be nothing but evil-minded, petty, and vindictive.

Whether or not some silly "gay gene" exists or not shouldn't make any difference at all.

Badfish

Are you kidding? Practically everything is opinion. Expressing Opinions can be against the rules.

Opinions are what is the basis for flaming and other rule violations.

Again we would have to know what alphatronics actually said to determine if it was a rule violation, whether it was opinion or not has no bearing on a rule violation.

By definition, of course opinions can break rules. You must mean something more.

Badfish

pz,

Did you remove "The bible is irrelevant " statement? Because that was going to be the basis for my explaination. Or whats going on I don't see it.

Anyway, the bible is relevant given the nature of CF. It is the very foundation on what CF was built on.

As for the rest of your post, it is considerable, but has nothing to do with CF rules.

See?

pz

Ah. So there are no opinions expressed on christianforums, since that would be a violation of the rules.

How...interesting.

Badfish

pz says:

There it is, weird it didn't show up in my attempted quote.

Anyway, the bible may be completely irrelevant here, but not irrelevant at CF.

And it isn't irrelevant obviously when translating the meaning of the bible as a book, whether it is truth or not is another debate.

That is what Christians base their faith on, that and spiritual enlightenment, but for Christians the bible is the truth and it is relevant for a Christian forum to base it's rules on the premise that is truth.

See what I mean?