mike_decock

I would actually give him two options:

1) Try again (reincarnation)
2) Stop existing (painless annihilation)

Certainly no Hell. If I was God, I couldn't bear tormenting my creation.

-Mike...

Darth Dane

Is it possible, that that is excatly how God is?

God: Oh you didn't keep my commandments?
You: no. I'm sorry, I was lost in the temporal world
God: not to worry, I will forgive you your folly, as promised by jesus. I will turn the other cheek, until you treat others as your self.

Edit:

You: Oh great, I will promise to do as you bid.
God: Well when you are born you lose conciouss contact with me. Your actions will be brought from your past life to your new one. What you did in your last life too others, will be done to you in the next. You will have ample excuse to hate me, because you cannot remember me, and who I am. I will make babies die without saying why, I will do things you cannot understand. Will you still follow my command?
You: Yes. I promise I will do my best.
God: Good, your best effort is what I want. Try to excel and do better than you did before.
You: So what happens next?
God: Go to sleep, I will wake you when necassary



Sounds plausible eh?

Freewill and all, Karma and such




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mike_decock

I think that, if there is a God, it is more likely that God is like this than the common "one chance on earth -> Heaven or Hell for eternity" concept.

If the common concept is really the case, I simply couldn't bring myself to desire spending eternity in the presence of a malicious deity.

Get to Hell, team up with all the other great minds who didn't believe and lay siege on Heaven. That sounds like more fun than an eternity of "bliss". I'll take the challenge instead.

-Mike...

Darth Dane

Get to Hell, team up with all the other great minds who didn't believe and lay siege on Heaven. That sounds like more fun than an eternity of "bliss". I'll take the challenge instead.

-Mike...

What about living in harmony?

Don't lay siege, walk into heaven.


"The kingdom of heaven is spread upon earth, but people do not see it"

Why are we polluting heaven and our home, as if they were separated? They are one.

I don't understand




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mike_decock

I was referring to the "common" concept of Heaven/Hell which excludes the harmonious concept.

This is may take on the world:

Heaven, Nirvana, Valhalla, Utopia: They are simply archetypes of the perfect world. The problem is that everyone who dreams of reaching this place fails to realize that THEY ARE ALREADY THERE! If this doesn't match your vision of the perfect world, make it so. The only rule is that you must do no harm in the process. Once everyone comes to this awareness and contributes to the common goal, we will reach it.

Welcome to the Matrix, Neo .

-Mike...

Darth Dane

So we must lead by our own example?

Like Neo, Jesus and all the rest did?





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Volker.Doormann

No. Knowledge is not abstract. Whether you are or you are not. If you are sure you are, you know you are.
This knowledge is meant. You can not know me. Except if I am you.
Don't care about me. It's your God. You must prove your God only yourself.
Yes. But there is a mind, that is creating each God you want. Mostly want is Mary by Catholics and Jesus by Christ's. Never Jews want see Buddha or Muslims Krishna. From this you can see, that these Gods are self created by the mind. The mind is a very bad tool to get spiritual knowledge, and a great tool to create Gods. The mind must be still to perceive reality. A busy mind cannot perceive.
We are God. But we do not know.
I do not belief in nothing. I do perceive that, what is.

Volker

Darth Dane

No. Knowledge is not abstract. Whether you are or you are not. If you are sure you are, you know you are.
This knowledge is meant. You can not know me. Except if I am you.

Only if all is one, do we see.


Yes. But there is a mind, that is creating each God you want. Mostly want is Mary by Catholics and Jesus by Christ's. Never Jews want see Buddha or Muslims Krishna. From this you can see, that these Gods are self created by the mind. The mind is a very bad tool to get spiritual knowledge, and a great tool to create Gods. The mind must be still to perceive reality. A busy mind cannot perceive.

according to the chakra system, there is a special connection between the heartchakra and the crownchakra. You in essence circumvent the mind in this way

We are God. But we do not know.

Maybe we don't re-cognize


I do not belief in nothing. I do perceive that, what is.

As do I




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mike_decock

Yes.

Neo, Jesus, Gandhi; they are all examples of how to be an example. This story is being told throughout history in every culture, in every language. The names change, but the message of the story doesn't.

True Faith is not believing in something beyond nature (reality). True Faith is disbelieving that reality must remain what it is.

If you don't believe the spoon is real, the spoon will bend.

-Mike...

Volker.Doormann

Correct.

BTW. Socrates has shown, that learning is re-cognizing. A house slave of no education has re-cognized successfully out of himself the relation of the sides of a square to the surface of the square for different lengths of the sides.

Only if there is this re-membering of true we know. Without this re-membering we belief (We are member of re-ligion).

Volker