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Not Prince Hamlet · 04-20-2002, 06:22 PM

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Whether God created a place of torture solely to punish or as I said earlier, Good simply cannot exist without Bad, is irrelevant as well. I do not presume to answer for God and I accept that there are some mysteries that will remain mysteries.

If God is omnipotent, then he can create Good without Bad.

If God can create Good without Bad, but chooses not to do so, then God is not benevolent.

Jeff

[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Not Prince Hamlet ]

Booty · 04-20-2002, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by juiblex:
ugh. im going to have some lunch before i lose my appetite any further. Perhaps i will return tomorrow Booty.

Buen provecho. Look forward to seeing you then and beware of the flying pink kittens, ( although I do have iot on good authority that it is the scarlet ones which are the dangerous ones).

Seeker196 · 04-20-2002, 06:26 PM

I cannot imagine anyone ever choosing to go to hell. It is inconcievable. How does someone go about deliberately wanting to spend eternity in such a place?

Why do you believe in hell? I have never seen a shred of good evidence for such a place, so I don't believe in it (same as the sky daddy myth)

Booty · 04-20-2002, 06:29 PM

Jeff,

Your constant circular logic is intriguing, does more depth exist or is what I see what I get?

Oh and I believe intrinsic does not end in a "t"

Not Prince Hamlet · 04-20-2002, 06:31 PM

Booty,

Interesting hyperbole on your part. Please demonstrate how my reasoning was circular. I'm sure we'd all love to see that.

Jeff

[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Not Prince Hamlet ]

Booty · 04-20-2002, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Seeker196:
I cannot imagine anyone ever choosing to go to hell. It is inconcievable. How does someone go about deliberately wanting to spend eternity in such a place?

You know I wish I knew. Like you I find it inconcievable as well, perhaps you could enlighten me? You see, I chose not to go.

Grizzly · 04-20-2002, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Booty:


Well there are those that can enter into discussion without flames, thank you and God bless, (Take it as a form of greeting in my culture). 

Now Booty - you were the one who started this thread with a very cryptic posting about love. Don't be suprised if we locals take out the flamethrowers.


First you are not "sent to Hell". You choose it, for a choice is offered. The choice that is offered takes into account your fallibility and makes provisions for it. 

As you are probably aware, there are stacks of arguments about the concept of free will in the face of an all-powerfull God. We will break no new ground rehashing this. What I would like to know is how you reconcile this system of morality, this "Do as I say or you will be tortured forever" with the concept of an All-Loving God? Would any of us, no matter how bad our children were behaving, torture them?

I would love to hear your thoughts on reconciling an All-Loving All Merciful being with the existence of eternal torture.

Not Prince Hamlet · 04-20-2002, 06:34 PM

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Oh and I believe intrinsic does not end in a "t"

Ta da! Congratulations, everybody! We've gotten Booty to the "picking on typos" phase!

LOL!

Just to give you the background, Booty, we've observed that when theists have come here to convert and have found that they have no valid arguments nor counters to the valid arguments of the atheists, sooner or later they always fall back to attacking spelling errors.

You made it further than most, at least. It was 7 pages before you did it.

Jeff

[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Not Prince Hamlet ]

Booty · 04-20-2002, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Not Prince Hamlet:
Booty,

Interesting hyperbole on your part. Please demonstrate how my reasoning was circular. I'm sure we'd all love to see that.

Jeff

[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Not Prince Hamlet ]

No need realy, you do quite well on your own.

Seeker196 · 04-20-2002, 06:36 PM

"If God is omnipotent, then he can create Good without Bad.

If God can create Good without Bad, but chooses not to do so, then God is not benevolent."

He begins with a premise, If A --> B.

Therefore If B -->C.

That is not the prepostional form of the classical circular argument.

The classic circular argument is:
God exists because it says so in the bible.
The bible is true because god wrote it

or If A --> B, therefore B---> A, the classic Christian circle.

EDIT:
Well, I'm not choosing to go either. So what's the problem?

[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Seeker196 ]

04-20-2002, 06:31 PM	#175
Not Prince Hamlet Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,309	Booty, Interesting hyperbole on your part. Please demonstrate how my reasoning was circular. I'm sure we'd all love to see that. Jeff [ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Not Prince Hamlet ]</p>

04-20-2002, 06:36 PM	#180
Seeker196 Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 278	"If God is omnipotent, then he can create Good without Bad. If God can create Good without Bad, but chooses not to do so, then God is not benevolent." He begins with a premise, If A --> B. Therefore If B -->C. That is not the prepostional form of the classical circular argument. The classic circular argument is: God exists because it says so in the bible. The bible is true because god wrote it or If A --> B, therefore B---> A, the classic Christian circle. EDIT: Well, I'm not choosing to go either. So what's the problem? [ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Seeker196 ]</p>

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04-20-2002, 06:26 PM	#173
Seeker196 Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 278	I cannot imagine anyone ever choosing to go to hell. It is inconcievable. How does someone go about deliberately wanting to spend eternity in such a place? Why do you believe in hell? I have never seen a shred of good evidence for such a place, so I don't believe in it (same as the sky daddy myth)

04-20-2002, 06:29 PM	#174
Booty Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: On Mission Posts: 50	Jeff, Your constant circular logic is intriguing, does more depth exist or is what I see what I get? Oh and I believe intrinsic does not end in a "t"

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