caravelair

anyone contacting their representative might want to bring voices for evolution to their attention.

Valentine Pontifex

There is a second bill as well.

They think that "methodological naturalism" is a hypothesis. That is kind of sad.

RBH

The version with the "Creator" language is preferable since it's more likely to be whammo'ed by the courts. Let it pass, then sue their knickers off!

RBH

Principia

Just out of curiosity, has there been a court ruling yet with "intelligent design" specifically in the language? I wonder what is taking the DI and IDnet people so long...

Albion

Since when does methodological naturalism mean that nature is all there is? Someone's either mistaken or lying. Sounds as if Phillip Johnson has been getting at them.

Adrammalech

DAMNIT!!!! What the hell are they doing! My reps going to hear from me. Well they can try to pass it, but I don't think that Granholm would sign it, then again she's been doing a lot of republican things lately.

RBH

Principia askedI think it's that they haven't yet managed to get that language into anything official yet. They tried with Ohio's State Science Standards and failed, they tried in at least one local school district in Ohio (mine!) and failed, and I'm not aware of anywhere that they've succeeded in getting explicit ID language into a curriculum standard or passed and signed legislation.

RBH

pangloss

Having lived in Michigan for 10 years, this only surprises me in that it had not been done a long time ago. Both sides of the political spectrum here lean towards creationism - the right-wingers for the obvious reasons, the left for the simple fact that a largew chunk of the left in MI is made up of minorities in urban areas, whom, in MI at least, have a tendency to be very religious. When I lived there, a local news station (FOX 44) ran a story on a poll of metro Detroiters in whihc it was reveal;ed that 60+% accepted biblical creation.

MI is also home to the "Something Better News" in Grand Rapids, MI. The SBN is a right-wing christian weekly newspaper that - and I always found this funny - you could get delivered for $12 a year, or pick it up at dozens of local business' (which I boycotted whnever I saw a connection) for free...

Kosmo

Yeah, this stinks. But it's not the first such bill to be proposed in Michigan legislature. Hopefully this one will go the way of the previous attempts.

I hold the opinion that attempts at legislating science reflect the will and intention of those who advocate such laws. I sincerely believe that these people know that this isn't science. Rather trying to pass such laws merely reflects a means to an end; it is not about promoting scientific inquiry, but about preventing religious inquiry.
At, of course, the expense of Constitutional rights.

Roland98

Thanks for the heads-up. Not a Michigan resident myself, but I currently work at U of M so I'll pass this along to the masses. Guess when it didn't work in Ohio, they just decided to move one state north. Too bad they're into Canada next...