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Ierrellus · 03-26-2002, 08:45 AM

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Amos, if Heaven was juxtaposed with Earth at the date you claim, why did the Sumerians not know about it? Did God create expendable people for the sake of "His" chosen few?

Ierrellus

03-26-2002, 11:00 AM

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Amos, if Heaven was juxtaposed with Earth at the date you claim, why did the Sumerians not know about it? Did God create expendable people for the sake of "His" chosen few?

Ierrellus

Because heaven and earth are mythical concepts and are mythology specific. The Sumerians may have called the sky heaven but did not associate the physical universe with the singular state of mind needed to enjoy life in heaven while on earth. Do you see the difference?

03-26-2002, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Writer@Large:


How can you profess and maintain faith in a book you haven't even fully read?

--W@L

Because the bible is an a posterior account of reality. The mythmakers gave an account of their prior experience with nature and this is what inspired means to us.

03-26-2002, 11:08 AM

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Amos,

My questions were posed for literalists, not free thinkers. Where I came from (deep South), any interpretation of the Bible other than that posed by the born-again is grounds for eternal torment.

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I know darn well what you mean because they are all over. We/I also live in "Gods country" with 30 some churches in a small town.

Howay the Toon · 03-27-2002, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by wide-eyed wanderer:


Some of those were... slanted a wee bit, yes?

Here's one to add:

-Before you were a Christian, did you believe that there were valid reasons for not believing? If so, what were those reasons and how have those reasons been shown to be invalid, in your opinion?

(I have yet to encounter a believer who actually understood the strong case against Christianity prior to converting. The virus of faith seems to spread on contact with uncritical, underinformed minds.)

-Wanderer

I'm sure you're right. In almost every case I have come accross "former Atheist becomes Christian" types were originally brought up within the church, lapsed and then returned. The lapsing semms usually to be of the form of not bothering with religion or in rebelling against Mummy and Daddy rather than the kind of reasoned rejection you here from deconverted Christians.

I have yet to come across someone brought up with no religious baggage who subsequently converts or someone who had the kind of reasoned atheism on display in thes pages who subsequently converted.

If there are I'd be fascinated to here their reasons.

Ierrellus · 03-27-2002, 10:12 AM

Amos,

You know what Sumerians believed? All we have of that is Gilgamesh!

Ierrellus

03-27-2002, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Ierrellus:
Amos,

You know what Sumerians believed? All we have of that is Gilgamesh!

Ierrellus

Don't need to know and I did not claim to know. The difference it is that they did not place heaven opposite to earth in their myth or our Genesis would not be original.

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03-26-2002, 08:45 AM	#11
Ierrellus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,082	Post Script: Amos, if Heaven was juxtaposed with Earth at the date you claim, why did the Sumerians not know about it? Did God create expendable people for the sake of "His" chosen few? Ierrellus

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