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Bubba · 11-30-2002, 09:28 AM

If any one has any real evidence for ID, I'm more than interested in real discourse. I'm starting this thread in response to ARN Peanut Gallery.

Should anyone wish to have a rational debate, I'll gladly look at any rational falsifyable evidence. Also, because I'm one of the few thiests here I don't believe anyone can accuse me of a "Naturalistic Bias."

So go to it, boys. IC Douglas, Len, Geo Theo if you want to chip in, or anyone else...this is the place.

All I'd ask of my infidel friends is no ad-homs here. I think we need to prove that we can discuss this in a rational manor.

In Darwin...

Chris (Bubba)

[ November 30, 2002: Message edited by: Bubba ]

Bubba · 11-30-2002, 09:29 AM

BTW, I myself do not agree with Dembski, Behe, Johnson, Wells, et. al...

Chris

pz · 11-30-2002, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bubba:
All I'd ask of my infidel friends is no ad-homs here.

Fair enough. I'll police this thread a little more thoroughly than usual.

Quote:

I think we need to prove that we can discuss this in a rational manor.

We already know II is a rational manor. We can also discuss it in a rational manner, if you'd like.

I'll be very interested to see if you get any takers on this offer.

[ November 30, 2002: Message edited by: pz ]

WinAce · 11-30-2002, 12:04 PM

Will "Yahweh is the Lord" encoded in base 4 in the genome suffice?

How about virii exhibiting remarkable gene-splicing abilities when exposed to Morse code-like electromagnetic impulses?

How about experimental confirmation that cosmic rays guide evolution in a non-random manner?

Oh, wait, this is intelligent design, not real science. Let the false dichotomy of "refuting evolution proves ID" begin.

CALDONIA · 11-30-2002, 01:27 PM

Intelligent Design = Creationism in sheep's clothing.

Xeluan · 11-30-2002, 05:19 PM

Would it be worth putting in the proviso that only positive evidence for ID be discussed. Too many online debates about evidence for ID descend into evolution bashing which is then regarded as evidence for ID.

From what I understand there are some ID sympathetic scientists that have endeavoured to frame the evidence for ID in a positive manner. It would be nice to discuss their ideas.

If the ID advocates are interested in discussing their ideas then Bubba's thread may prove to be worthwhile.

Xeluan

[ November 30, 2002: Message edited by: Xeluan ]

pz · 11-30-2002, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xeluan:
If the ID advocates are interested in discussing their ideas then Bubba's thread may prove to be worthwhile.

I'm sure. This thread has been up all day with no response from any IDists; they must be off busily composing.

Bubba · 11-30-2002, 05:30 PM

Notice how no one advocating ID has posted so far?

I'm very willing to discuss any real evidence with any IDer. And I'm serious about not having an anti supernatural bias. If we are really wrong in the ARN penut gallery thread...where is the evidence?

Bubba

Vorkosigan · 12-01-2002, 02:07 AM

Why don't you register at ARN?

Camaban · 12-01-2002, 03:12 AM

is it just me, or is it that since Vanderzyden left, we've run out of fundies

(I'm assuming he's left, anyway)q

11-30-2002, 09:28 AM	#1
Bubba Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orient, OH USA Posts: 1,501	In Defense of Inteligent Design If any one has any real evidence for ID, I'm more than interested in real discourse. I'm starting this thread in response to ARN Peanut Gallery. Should anyone wish to have a rational debate, I'll gladly look at any rational falsifyable evidence. Also, because I'm one of the few thiests here I don't believe anyone can accuse me of a "Naturalistic Bias." So go to it, boys. IC Douglas, Len, Geo Theo if you want to chip in, or anyone else...this is the place. All I'd ask of my infidel friends is no ad-homs here. I think we need to prove that we can discuss this in a rational manor. In Darwin... Chris (Bubba) [ November 30, 2002: Message edited by: Bubba ]</p>

11-30-2002, 05:19 PM	#6
Xeluan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Pub In East Gosford, Australia Posts: 831	Would it be worth putting in the proviso that only positive evidence for ID be discussed. Too many online debates about evidence for ID descend into evolution bashing which is then regarded as evidence for ID. From what I understand there are some ID sympathetic scientists that have endeavoured to frame the evidence for ID in a positive manner. It would be nice to discuss their ideas. If the ID advocates are interested in discussing their ideas then Bubba's thread may prove to be worthwhile. Xeluan [ November 30, 2002: Message edited by: Xeluan ]</p>

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11-30-2002, 09:29 AM	#2
Bubba Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orient, OH USA Posts: 1,501	BTW, I myself do not agree with Dembski, Behe, Johnson, Wells, et. al... Chris

11-30-2002, 12:04 PM	#4
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	Will "Yahweh is the Lord" encoded in base 4 in the genome suffice? How about virii exhibiting remarkable gene-splicing abilities when exposed to Morse code-like electromagnetic impulses? How about experimental confirmation that cosmic rays guide evolution in a non-random manner? Oh, wait, this is intelligent design, not real science. Let the false dichotomy of "refuting evolution proves ID" begin.

11-30-2002, 01:27 PM	#5
CALDONIA Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunnyvale,CA Posts: 371	Intelligent Design = Creationism in sheep's clothing.

11-30-2002, 05:30 PM	#8
Bubba Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orient, OH USA Posts: 1,501	Notice how no one advocating ID has posted so far? I'm very willing to discuss any real evidence with any IDer. And I'm serious about not having an anti supernatural bias. If we are really wrong in the ARN penut gallery thread...where is the evidence? Bubba

12-01-2002, 02:07 AM	#9
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Why don't you register at ARN?

12-01-2002, 03:12 AM	#10
Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	is it just me, or is it that since Vanderzyden left, we've run out of fundies (I'm assuming he's left, anyway)q

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