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galt23 · 07-08-2003, 06:06 PM

"the quest for noah's flood" is being broadcast on PBS as we speak.....oceanographer robret ballard leads an expedition to the Black Sea in search of artifacts that would support the biblical story of a great flood. that according to the info popper on my digital cable. When will this crap ever end? So much for his credibility. I used to like Ballard, but not anymore. He should concentrate all his time on old Jap Zeros or US ships in the atlantic. This is just crap.

Doubting Didymus · 07-08-2003, 06:08 PM

Did he find anything?

galt23 · 07-08-2003, 06:14 PM

It's just coming on now in my timezone....at the moment he's looking for the "plains people" that supposedly lived at a lake that was there before the black sea was....as speculated by some writer of a book called "Noah's flood".....even more crap.

galt23 · 07-08-2003, 06:20 PM

Interesting: two guys from Columbia U basically spend their time researching cataclysmic floods, which usually occur when one sea suddenly empties into another sea. THey think this could be what sparked the noah legend <their words, not mine>

Hmmm, interesting.

galt23 · 07-08-2003, 06:22 PM

3 out of the first 4 posts are mine...gotta be a new record or something. anyways, i just saw something that got me thinking. Why in the hell did the DUCKS get on the boat????????????? Were all the ducks of the world that evil? and couldn't they just swim higher?????????

galt23 · 07-08-2003, 06:57 PM

Just finished watching the rest of the program, and Ballard didn't disappoint me as much as PBS made it sound that he would. Ballard, though me may believe or want to believe in the flood and the ark story, knew that he wouldn't find those answers while down there, and that finding scientific clues to that end would be impossible anyways, so they weren't even trying. They did however, or so they think, find evidence of a flood of "biblical" proportions. Several hundred feet below the surface of the Black Sea they found human tool remains and cut stones. This seems to support Ryan and Pitman's theories on the the Med. Sea breaking a natural land dam and flooding the Black Sea with salt water. Although, testing of the wood showed it to be just a couple of hundred years old.

They did succeed in finding "the perfect ship", which was the goal of the expedition. Perfect, meaning a ship of long ago that sank to the bottom of the sea approx. 1700 years ago, that would be in near perfect condition owing to the anoxic conditions of that depth of water.

So, nothing ground breaking to the fundies or flood people, though that didn't stop them from interpretting it that way.

trunks2k · 07-08-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by galt23
"the quest for noah's flood" is being broadcast on PBS as we speak.....oceanographer robret ballard leads an expedition to the Black Sea in search of artifacts that would support the biblical story of a great flood.

I remember watching something a while ago about Ballard looking in the Black Sea, but it wasn't so much looking for evidence to support a global flood, but to try and figure out where the legend came from. I remember at the end of it he had found evidence that a natural damn had burst causing a sudden, catastrophic local flood which he suggested could be the source of the flood myth.

RufusAtticus · 07-08-2003, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by galt23
"the quest for noah's flood" is being broadcast on PBS as we speak.....oceanographer robret ballard leads an expedition to the Black Sea in search of artifacts that would support the biblical story of a great flood. that according to the info popper on my digital cable. When will this crap ever end? So much for his credibility.

What exactly is your problem with this?

Blinn · 07-09-2003, 03:44 AM

Pittman has a book out on the Black Sea flood that you might find interesting.

pangloss · 07-09-2003, 06:07 AM

Don't get so upset.

The Ryan and Pitman hypothesis - now pretty much debunked anyway - is that the flood myths have their genesis in a cataclysmic but local flood in the area around what is now the Black Sea. They do not support or posit anything like a world-wide flood, and I don't think Ballard does either.

07-08-2003, 06:06 PM	#1
galt23 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bowling Green, KY USA Posts: 15	Noah's Flood on PBS "the quest for noah's flood" is being broadcast on PBS as we speak.....oceanographer robret ballard leads an expedition to the Black Sea in search of artifacts that would support the biblical story of a great flood. that according to the info popper on my digital cable. When will this crap ever end? So much for his credibility. I used to like Ballard, but not anymore. He should concentrate all his time on old Jap Zeros or US ships in the atlantic. This is just crap.

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07-08-2003, 06:08 PM	#2
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Did he find anything?

07-08-2003, 06:14 PM	#3
galt23 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bowling Green, KY USA Posts: 15	It's just coming on now in my timezone....at the moment he's looking for the "plains people" that supposedly lived at a lake that was there before the black sea was....as speculated by some writer of a book called "Noah's flood".....even more crap.

07-08-2003, 06:20 PM	#4
galt23 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bowling Green, KY USA Posts: 15	Interesting: two guys from Columbia U basically spend their time researching cataclysmic floods, which usually occur when one sea suddenly empties into another sea. THey think this could be what sparked the noah legend <their words, not mine> Hmmm, interesting.

07-08-2003, 06:22 PM	#5
galt23 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bowling Green, KY USA Posts: 15	3 out of the first 4 posts are mine...gotta be a new record or something. anyways, i just saw something that got me thinking. Why in the hell did the DUCKS get on the boat????????????? Were all the ducks of the world that evil? and couldn't they just swim higher?????????

07-08-2003, 06:57 PM	#6
galt23 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bowling Green, KY USA Posts: 15	Just finished watching the rest of the program, and Ballard didn't disappoint me as much as PBS made it sound that he would. Ballard, though me may believe or want to believe in the flood and the ark story, knew that he wouldn't find those answers while down there, and that finding scientific clues to that end would be impossible anyways, so they weren't even trying. They did however, or so they think, find evidence of a flood of "biblical" proportions. Several hundred feet below the surface of the Black Sea they found human tool remains and cut stones. This seems to support Ryan and Pitman's theories on the the Med. Sea breaking a natural land dam and flooding the Black Sea with salt water. Although, testing of the wood showed it to be just a couple of hundred years old. They did succeed in finding "the perfect ship", which was the goal of the expedition. Perfect, meaning a ship of long ago that sank to the bottom of the sea approx. 1700 years ago, that would be in near perfect condition owing to the anoxic conditions of that depth of water. So, nothing ground breaking to the fundies or flood people, though that didn't stop them from interpretting it that way.

07-09-2003, 03:44 AM	#9
Blinn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,162	Pittman has a book out on the Black Sea flood that you might find interesting.

07-09-2003, 06:07 AM	#10
pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	Don't get so upset. The Ryan and Pitman hypothesis - now pretty much debunked anyway - is that the flood myths have their genesis in a cataclysmic but local flood in the area around what is now the Black Sea. They do not support or posit anything like a world-wide flood, and I don't think Ballard does either.

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