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Old 04-25-2003, 06:07 PM   #31
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The only specious justification I can think of is that if the government encourages the creation of children then the nation will stay around longer. Similar to how the catholic and mormon churchs encourage large families so their ranks can grow larger.
I do not find any merit in such an argument though.

its not about the state.


it is in societies best interest to promote pair bonding because of the relative helplessness of human children. their is a reason that humans generally pair bond. there is also a reason for the sexual division of labor.

do not misunderstand me. I am not arguing that homosexuality is wrong or unnatural or that people who are in homosexual relationships shouldnt get to visit their loved ones. I also am not opposing companies giving benefits to same sex partners as they do married employees.

But there is a reason that the government has recognized marriage as being between heterosexuals and it is not religion based as marriage, defined as pair bonding and the sexual division of labor, is far older than any religion.

You talk about the constitution all you want. It is irrelevant to this discussion.
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What an utter load of crap. My wife and I really didn't want to get married, but after some number of years of living together we found ourselves in a situation where the legal benefits of marriage were just too great for us to hold out any longer. We will likely never have children, so that doesn't enter into the picture for us. As far as I'm concerned, marriage is at its minimum only a contract entitling two people to rights with respect to eachother. Gender doesn't factor into these rights, and so there is no good reason to deny them to people based upon their gender.

again. society historically and from an evolutionary perspective has promoted marriage for pragmatic reasons. Whether or not it should continue is a more open question. I also like that you think you call my post an utter load of crap. I have not said anything more offensive than I am unsure about how a feel on same sex marriage and stated why.


gender refers to the biological sex of an organism. in case you didnt know. if I was against one gender marrying than I would certainly be for same sex marriage now wouldnt I?????


ps if you need a link to an online dictionary I will be glad to post one for you. hell I may even post several.
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Old 04-25-2003, 06:15 PM   #33
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(Beyelzu): "Homosexuals cant in general reproduce."

(Fr Andrew): Sigh....

well now I can clearly see that homosexuals can sexually reproduce. what the hell was I thinking. Only with your Sigh.... was I able to see the light.


You might want to read my posts on this subject a little deeper.
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Well no... the state that does such a thing is basically acting only out of self-interest.... something that makes a government at its very best a dangerous one.

No it has throughout history been in the best interest of the humans to have marriage and the states just kind of inherited the whole thing. there is no hidden conspiracy of politicians sitting rubbing their hands and saying we need more fucking babies.
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again. society historically and from an evolutionary perspective has promoted marriage for pragmatic reasons. Whether or not it should continue is a more open question. I also like that you think you call my post an utter load of crap. I have not said anything more offensive than I am unsure about how a feel on same sex marriage and stated why.
Mmmm hmmm... That, and you parroted the intellectual void of an argument that got you to rethink your prior support of same-sex marriages. That is the utter load of crap to which I was referring.

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gender refers to the biological sex of an organism. in case you didnt know. if I was against one gender marrying than I would certainly be for same sex marriage now wouldnt I?????
Umm...yeah, I know what gender means. Now that you know that I know, maybe you could re-read what I wrote and see if it makes sense the second time.


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ps if you need a link to an online dictionary I will be glad to post one for you. hell I may even post several.
That's cute, but I think that they would probably do you more good. Question: What distinguishes a heterosexual relationship from a homosexual one? Hint: It starts with a "G" and ends with "ender".
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well now I can clearly see that homosexuals can sexually reproduce. what the hell was I thinking. Only with your Sigh.... was I able to see the light.


You might want to read my posts on this subject a little deeper.
If anybody on this thread is lacking depth, it has to be you. Are all homosexuals sterilized in your reality, Beyelzu? No? Then is it fair to say that homosexuals can reproduce? Yes? So now you understand why that was such a foolish thing to say? Good.
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If anybody on this thread is lacking depth, it has to be you. Are all homosexuals sterilized in your reality, Beyelzu? No? Then is it fair to say that homosexuals can reproduce? Yes? So now you understand why that was such a foolish thing to say? Good.
a homosexual couple cannot reproduce. a person who only has sex with people of their own gender will not reproduce the only exception of course could be artifical insemination for a lesbian. See I do understand.


you figured out what gender means yet, or do you want a link????
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furthermore, if one takes the veiw that homosexuals are genetically predisposed to homosexuality as much evidence does point to this then it does become a matter of them not reproducing.


furthermore, there is in english such a thing as context. we were discussing homosexual marriage and homosexual couples. and while I was retarded and didnt put couples that was what I was thinking and again in context it makes perfect fucking sense.

now genders on the other hand, they just down right confuse me. how about you tribal??????
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a homosexual couple cannot reproduce. a person who only has sex with people of their own gender will not reproduce the only exception of course could be artifical insemination for a lesbian. See I do understand.
So lesbians and turkey basters share the same gender? Hint: You might want to look up "gender" again in those online dictionaries.
God help me, this is like kicking a cripple. I'm definitely going to hell.
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That's cute, but I think that they would probably do you more good. Question: What distinguishes a heterosexual relationship from a homosexual one? Hint: It starts with a "G" and ends with "ender". [/B]
actually any same sex couple will share gender with one member of any heterosexual gender. unless of course homosexual is a different gender in your mind????
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