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Valentine Pontifex · 09-03-2002, 01:34 PM

...and it was NOT the target of selection.

<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992732" target="_blank">Radio emerges from the electronic soup </a>

So who put in the complex specified information for making radios? :-)

pz · 09-03-2002, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by LordValentine:
...and it was NOT the target of selection.

<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992732" target="_blank">Radio emerges from the electronic soup </a>

So who put in the complex specified information for making radios? :-)

Obviously, silicon crystals possess Inhering Intelligence.

Remember that next time you walk on the beach - imagine all the grains of sand as little Marconis and Edisons, while you heedlessly tread upon their heads.

Tom Sawyer · 09-03-2002, 01:44 PM

I think it's fairly obvious that God wanted a radio and not an oscillator.

The fact that the researchers are confused about this is simply because they cannot see His Grand Design.

lpetrich · 09-03-2002, 01:45 PM

The setup of this system used an "objective function" for determining which configurations were "best", which is a standard part of optimization algorithms. In Darwinian terms, it is a "fitness function".

This is significant because William Dembski has claimed that the objective function is a way of slipping in some "specified complexity" or "complex specified information". However, the more common objective functions are very simple ones, like ([desired]-[calculated])^2.

Undercurrent · 09-03-2002, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by LordValentine:


So who put in the complex specified information for making radios? :-)

You can't fool me you evilooshunists. There was a human involved at some point in the system. Therefore the radio was designed!!!! Which only goes to prove that you need a designer!!!! REPENT!!!!!

m.

Kevin Dorner · 09-03-2002, 01:53 PM

This proves nothing. Radios can only evolve within the radio kind. It's still a radio. No one has seen a radio give birth to a television set.

Valentine Pontifex · 09-03-2002, 03:22 PM

Lets return this thread back to the serious...

<a href="http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/geog/gessler/167-2001/evolved-radio.pdf" target="_blank">Here is the original research article</a>

bluefugue · 09-03-2002, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kevin Dorner:
This proves nothing. Radios can only evolve within the radio kind. It's still a radio. No one has seen a radio give birth to a television set.

ROFL!

Abacus · 09-03-2002, 05:42 PM

And if televisions evolved from radios, why are there still radios? It's your funeral evolutionists! Admit it! Bwahahahahahahaha!

HRG · 09-03-2002, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by lpetrich:
The setup of this system used an "objective function" for determining which configurations were "best", which is a standard part of optimization algorithms. In Darwinian terms, it is a "fitness function".

This is significant because William Dembski has claimed that the objective function is a way of slipping in some "specified complexity" or "complex specified information". However, the more common objective functions are very simple ones, like ([desired]-[calculated])^2.

By choosing a quadratic in the formula for the distance, it was obviously specified that the device should function as a radio, two!

<ducks before the missiles hit>

HRG.

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09-03-2002, 01:44 PM	#3
Tom Sawyer Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto, eh Posts: 42,293	I think it's fairly obvious that God wanted a radio and not an oscillator. The fact that the researchers are confused about this is simply because they cannot see His Grand Design.

09-03-2002, 01:45 PM	#4
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	The setup of this system used an "objective function" for determining which configurations were "best", which is a standard part of optimization algorithms. In Darwinian terms, it is a "fitness function". This is significant because William Dembski has claimed that the objective function is a way of slipping in some "specified complexity" or "complex specified information". However, the more common objective functions are very simple ones, like ([desired]-[calculated])^2.

09-03-2002, 01:53 PM	#6
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	This proves nothing. Radios can only evolve within the radio kind. It's still a radio. No one has seen a radio give birth to a television set.

09-03-2002, 03:22 PM	#7
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	Lets return this thread back to the serious... <a href="http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/geog/gessler/167-2001/evolved-radio.pdf" target="_blank">Here is the original research article</a>

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Abacus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Dakota Posts: 2,214	And if televisions evolved from radios, why are there still radios? It's your funeral evolutionists! Admit it! Bwahahahahahahaha!

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