Utnapishtim

This is a film released by Jeremiah Films in 1988. I will be watching it on Saturday with a Christian friend who questions the validity of the usual anti-evolution arguements. Has anyone seen this film? I'd like to know in advance what the arguements the filmmakers will use against evolution. The blurb on the back of the video talks about the scientific facts supporting creationism. I'd like to have my answers for her after we watch the film. Thanks.

b@rtleby

grond,
i haven't actually seen the film myself but it breaks my heart to see an unanswered thread so i put my research hat on.
these websites may help give you some idea what you're in for -
<a href="http://www.uwrf.edu/student-voice/issues/1997/1997may8/972604.html" target="_blank">http://www.uwrf.edu/student-voice/issues/1997/1997may8/972604.html</a>
<a href="http://www.bibleprobe.org/objection.html" target="_blank">http://www.bibleprobe.org/objection.html</a>
<a href="http://www.marianland.com/newage01.html" target="_blank">http://www.marianland.com/newage01.html</a>
<a href="http://www.holman.net/ufo/archives/research/newfiles2sort/skeptic/bassep89.txt" target="_blank">http://www.holman.net/ufo/archives/research/newfiles2sort/skeptic/bassep89.txt</a>

from this very limited reading it would appear that the video attempts to discredit evolution by attacking some straw men and comparing evolution to marxism (this is not an argument i had considered before so feedback would be nice) and "new age" religion.

i also managed to find this quote apparently by john morris (legendery henry's son), who appears on the video, which shows you the level of, shall we say, duplicity you may be up against -
"It's just -- you know, there's no evidence in the fossil record that [organic evolution] ever did occur; scientific law shows that it couldn't occur, statistics show that it's highly unlikely -- impossibly unlikely -- and so evolutionists, even, are abandoning this concept of pure naturalism, of naturalistic evolution. What
they're doing, though, instead of moving over into the creationist camp, they're moving into another sort of evolution. Uh, instead of being naturalistic evolution, they're -- they're saying now that these sorts of things couldn't happen without an overriding mind, without a design.

But instead of attributing that to God, they're -- they're basically saying that nature is alive, that
Mother Nature is thinking -- that -- this is the essence of Eastern mysticism. Uh, it's the New Age movement. You would be surprised how much of the technical, scientific
literature talks about this idea that nature is alive, that it thinks and it does this on purpose. . . . So the New Age movement is very definitely evolutionary, and modern evolution is moving in the direction of the New Age. In fact, they used to show the -- the monkeys, you know, getting bigger and bigger and turning into man.
Well, now the drawings, they go beyond man into man in a lotus position. My goodness, this is the essence of the satanic world-view."


there's a list on talk origins i think of common creationist claims and their rebuttals that may well be worth taking with you...
hope this helps
bb

hezekiah jones

JEREMIAH FILMS

Another example of a Christian group engaged in an apocalyptic campaign of millennial ritual purification is Jeremiah Films, named after the Biblical prophet. Jeremiah Films and Jeremiah Books are run by the husband and wife team of Pat and Caryl Matrisciana.

[Former] Senate majority leader Trent Lott, who in 1998 pronounced homosexuality not just sinful but sick, had already appeared in Jeremiah's 1993 antigay video Gay Rights, Special Rights. The video, used in several statewide legislative campaigns to erode basic rights for gay men and lesbians, also features former attorney general Edwin Meese, III, and former education secretary William J. Bennett, along with notable conspiracists such as David Noebel of Summit Ministries. Lott also stars in Jeremiah's 1993 video The Crash - The Coming Financial Collapse of America, which comes in two versions, one with a secular doomsday scenario and another with a special Christian cut featuring discussions of End Times biblical prophecy.

Jeremiah has a large collection of conspiracist videos. Caryl Matrisciana, a leading author of Christian Right books with conspiracist themes, cohosted a thirteen-part video series from Jeremiah titled Pagan Invasion. The series includes videos that claim evolution is a hoax, Freemasonry is a pagan religion, Halloween is a tool for satanic abduction, and Mormonism is a cult heresy. The Jeremiah video on Mormons has earned rebukes from mainstream religious commentators for its bigotry toward members of the Church, formally called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

One segment of the Jeremiah Films series Pagan Invasion was titled "Preview of the Antichrist." It is described in an online Christian Right catalog with the following blurb:

Chip Berlet and Matthew N. Lyons: Right-Wing Populism in America: Too Close For Comfort pp. 329-330

Should be quite the flick.

Utnapishtim

Thanks for your help guys. I appreciate it

tgamble

so if he's more powerful than any person in history (including Jesus obviously) how will JC stop him? Aparently the antichrist will be more powerful than god! LOL!