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S2Focus · 03-11-2003, 09:57 PM

Here's a snippet from the latest helping of foolishness served up by our pals at AIG.

(Note: the usual "hot coffee through the nose" precautions apply here.)

Question: [Dr John] Morris in his book The Young Earth stated that at the time of the flood there were 35 Million people alive. Assuming 10% were babies/infants then at the time of the flood 3.5 million babies/infants drowned. How do we explain that a God of love can drown 3.5 million babies/infants? An omnipotent God could, but a loving God ? Don�t misunderstand me I�m a Christian but I am troubled by this and wouldn�t know how to answer this question to a skeptic? How do we as Creationists respond?

AIG Answer: You may have forgotten other attributes of God�His sovereignty and His justice/Holiness. For one thing, the Biblical cultures, like 70% of cultures today, were collective unlike the individualistic West, so all members were responsible in some way for the evils. Another thing, with the high levels of violence in the pre-Flood world, it�s likely that abortion and infanticide were rife, so the number of babies was possibly very low. Finally, God, unlike us, knows the �big picture� of a greater good that can follow, and we can also be sure that the eternal judgment on the drowned babies would be just. See Why is there death and suffering?

Shpongle · 03-11-2003, 10:02 PM

Logic like this is precisely the reason I am not a Christian.

Nic Tamzek · 03-11-2003, 10:18 PM

Holy shit. Literally.

LostGirl · 03-11-2003, 10:21 PM

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Another thing, with the high levels of violence in the pre-Flood world, it�s likely that abortion and infanticide were rife, so the number of babies was possibly very low

because, like, only a few hundred thousand babies makes it better somehow. Riiiight.

Cretinist · 03-11-2003, 10:21 PM

It's only funny the first 10,000 times you hear that crap from Christians.

Sauron · 03-11-2003, 10:34 PM

I just posted this at Theologyweb.com, where AiG is considered nearly holy.

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sho...&threadid=1885

Let's see what happens.

KC · 03-12-2003, 05:28 AM

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AIG Answer: You may have forgotten other attributes of God�His sovereignty and His justice/Holiness. For one thing, the Biblical cultures, like 70% of cultures today, were collective unlike the individualistic West, so all members were responsible in some way for the evils. Another thing, with the high levels of violence in the pre-Flood world, it�s likely that abortion and infanticide were rife, so the number of babies was possibly very low. Finally, God, unlike us, knows the �big picture� of a greater good that can follow, and we can also be sure that the eternal judgment on the drowned babies would be just. See Why is there death and suffering?

These people are utterly despicable.

KC

LordSnooty · 03-12-2003, 06:35 AM

Didn't the Nazis use a very similar justification for genocide?

Paul

Quetzal · 03-12-2003, 06:37 AM

Hey Sauron,

Socrates just provided a nice, philosophical rebuttal to your post - NOT!

It's interesting that Dee Dee Warren slapped him a bit for being over the top. Good for her, although that behavior would have gotten him banned from SecWeb...

Paul2 · 03-12-2003, 07:05 AM

I found it quite interesting how he attacked you for even questioning AIG's responce. I also find it interesting how he and i assume others goes through "double think" (i think thats what i mean.) in order to make it ok for god to kill babies. Sad.

Paul

03-11-2003, 09:57 PM	#1
S2Focus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1162 easy freeway minutes from the new ICR in TX Posts: 896	9 out of 10 on the Beverage-Thru-The-Nose-o-Meter Here's a snippet from the latest helping of foolishness served up by our pals at AIG. (Note: the usual "hot coffee through the nose" precautions apply here.) Question: [Dr John] Morris in his book The Young Earth stated that at the time of the flood there were 35 Million people alive. Assuming 10% were babies/infants then at the time of the flood 3.5 million babies/infants drowned. How do we explain that a God of love can drown 3.5 million babies/infants? An omnipotent God could, but a loving God ? Don�t misunderstand me I�m a Christian but I am troubled by this and wouldn�t know how to answer this question to a skeptic? How do we as Creationists respond? AIG Answer: You may have forgotten other attributes of God�His sovereignty and His justice/Holiness. For one thing, the Biblical cultures, like 70% of cultures today, were collective unlike the individualistic West, so all members were responsible in some way for the evils. Another thing, with the high levels of violence in the pre-Flood world, it�s likely that abortion and infanticide were rife, so the number of babies was possibly very low. Finally, God, unlike us, knows the �big picture� of a greater good that can follow, and we can also be sure that the eternal judgment on the drowned babies would be just. See Why is there death and suffering?

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03-11-2003, 10:02 PM	#2
Shpongle Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frozen North Posts: 9,920	Logic like this is precisely the reason I am not a Christian.

03-11-2003, 10:18 PM	#3
Nic Tamzek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: California Posts: 646	Holy shit. Literally.

03-11-2003, 10:21 PM	#5
Cretinist Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 399	It's only funny the first 10,000 times you hear that crap from Christians.

03-11-2003, 10:34 PM	#6
Sauron Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In the dark places of the world Posts: 8,093	I just posted this at Theologyweb.com, where AiG is considered nearly holy. http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sho...&threadid=1885 Let's see what happens.

03-12-2003, 06:35 AM	#8
LordSnooty Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 211	Didn't the Nazis use a very similar justification for genocide? Paul

03-12-2003, 06:37 AM	#9
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	Hey Sauron, Socrates just provided a nice, philosophical rebuttal to your post - NOT! It's interesting that Dee Dee Warren slapped him a bit for being over the top. Good for her, although that behavior would have gotten him banned from SecWeb...

03-12-2003, 07:05 AM	#10
Paul2 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,088	I found it quite interesting how he attacked you for even questioning AIG's responce. I also find it interesting how he and i assume others goes through "double think" (i think thats what i mean.) in order to make it ok for god to kill babies. Sad. Paul

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