Nightwalker

Here's a link to a site i found on this.

<a href="http://artbellopenletter.tripod.com/quickview.html" target="_blank">http://artbellopenletter.tripod.com/quickview.html</a>

Anyone know anything about this, such as whether their methodology is sound? What do you all think?

phlebas

Numerology is pretty unimpressive. When you can multiply anything by a factor of whatever works, you should be surprised to not get a lot of "meaningful" numbers. Who says "messiah Jesus" or "mark of beast" anyway? And what is "a perdition"? I thought Perdition was a proper noun.

In any case, this is probably better suited to Misc Religious Discussions.

Bluenose

Thanks for a fun link.

Playing with the calculator, New York = 666
BUT so does "French dogma Q", Jebus French, or:
Fuck Vatican.

OTOH Atheist Web = 672 and Secular Web = 654 so we are not the evil number of the beast.

If you are in a wholesale job dealing with dozens and gross (12x12) then IIDB = 144 is your magic coincidence................

BTW that link has a Hebrew Greek Lexicon and a Strong's Concordance to the KJV which are valuable research tools.

Bluenose

"Nightwalker:... whether their methodology is sound?"
It is just a silly game for kids and retired insomniacs like me.

IF you use a code where A=1,B=2 et cet you would needs lots of letters to get to 666.

Using A=2, B=4 or A=3, B=6 would take less letters, BUT codes with A=4, B=8 or A=5, B=10 have no possible totals of 666 since 666 does not divide exactly by 4 or 5. Extend the principle and it becomes no more or less than a game.

So for people into pentagons or pentagrams with a thing for the number five a code w/ A=5,B=10 would end up spelling something for one of their magic numbers.

EDIT to add this is my post #288 2x12x12, but I'll not bore you with all the prime factors in 288.

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Douglas J. Bender

The "English Gematria Code" (where the English letters are assigned values in increments of 6, starting with the number 6) is an interesting phenomenon, and might have some significance, but as Bluenose pointed out, it's rather arbitrary to choose 6, and making such choices affects the results, and choosing 6 as an increment and starting point makes it rather more likely that "666" is the result. And, it precludes any number adding to 777, which is also a significant number. Also, there is no historical reason to think that one should use the English alphabet, nor especially the "increments and beginning by 6".

However, there is a historically verifiable numbering system which was used with both the Hebrew AND the Greek alphabets. Both the Hebrews and the Greeks did not have separate symbols for numbers, but used the letters of their alphabet to stand for numbers. In both cases, they used the following numbering system:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90
100,200,300,400,500,600,700,800,900 .

Of course, they only went as high as their last letter.

The above is almost certainly the numbering system one should use in attempting to calculate the "number of the name" of the Antichrist, and almost as certainly this should be done using the Hebrew or the Greek alphabet, with the latter being more likely, since the Book of Revelation was written in Greek.


In Christ,

Douglas

hastalavista2u

OK then,I will.
I happen to know a little about this "code" myself,but am not naive enough to think this knowledge will convince anyone here.
Besides,I believe God has hidden this from many,even after seeing some incredible "coincidences".
And if God hides something,then you wouldn't be able to believe it even if you wanted to.
But I will show a few anyway.

Just curious though Bluenose,whether you had some inside info on #288 in this Bible Code,since you mentioned it?
Allow me to explain...

288=buy,sell,trade,join,fool,bondage,labor
{288x3=864}

864=Mark of the Beast

300=America,Bush,fallen,away
600=Apostacy,liberalism,socialism
594=Rapture,harvest,ascension,judgement,
accomplished
366=Church
666=America+Church
180=Bible,bread,agape,peace
360=Holy,Word,pure
384=YHWH,Israel,chosen,select
726=Antichrist
726=Babylon(426)+America(300)
1110=World Trade Center,Tuesday morning
[In reference to number 11-]
1110=Warning sign+America
1110=November eleventh[11/11]

You can also find some common words/phrases--
480=Hike(198)+Walk(282)
480=Drive(348)+Car(132)
348=Ride(216)+Car
582=Tsunami,tidal wave
228=Noah,boat,canoe,ocean,sand,death


Actually,there are many more,but I will spare you the details here.
And I believe the number 6 is used because it is considered the Biblical number for "man".
But like you said,this is just for people with too much time on their hands,and like playing with numbers.
Maybe so,but it still doesn't mean it isn't valid.

Of course,I guess I should only heed to the opinions on the Secular Web,since they have never been wrong about anything before??
I guess if there is insufficient evidence to conclude something for yourself,then it's probably best to remain skeptical above all else?
But unless the skeptics can "prove" their views are the best option,then the believer shouldn't be scoffed at for lack of proof in their own views.
Why does the burden of proof have to lie with the Theists,when they feel no burden at all.
On the contrary,it often seems the infidel shoulders a greater burden in having to put up with all the seemingly pointless arguments for existence.
They may at times seem happier in their unbelief,but do seem to be much more frustrated in the debate arena,at least when those like myself become thickheaded,and ignore their constant lack of proof arguments against Theism.
Lack of proof in their arguments that is.

But to keep this from going any further,and possibly landing in RRP,I'll say no more.
I'm just glad it ended up here,rather than in a possible future "nutwatch" edition!
With all due respect to the great Queen...said affectionately of course.
But who knows,maybe if I get some others to join in,this could be the first thread moved twice?

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Apikorus

According to the methodology described, 444 was the gematria for good and holy things (Jesus, Cross, Gospel, etc.). I wonder why they left out:

EVIL GOD = 444
DEAD IN HELL = 444
ABOMINABLE = 444
I SINNED = 444
HAD NO LIFE = 444
SAD FRAUD = 444

et cetera

Bluenose

Ok, [almost time for my nap] a few more:
Bender = 288
Theitist = 660 but make it
A Theitist = 666

Bluenose

No, I observed the post #288 after I posted the IIDB=144 comment.

Apikorus

JESUS CHRIST = A FUCKING ASSHOLE = 906

You can get anything you like with this methodology.
In consonantal languages like Hebrew, it is even easier.

(Apologies if I have offended any sensibilities. For the record, I believe that the historical Jesus was probably a very sweet guy.)

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