Corwin

Actually those that were still alive would be staggering around...

Partially because thier joints would be locked up and partially because they'd be coming down off a massive narcosis high.

Most of them probably wouldn't survive long enough to decompress anyway.

John Solum

Hi Tigermilk,

Here's a brief summary of the problems with Gentry's work.

1) 210, 214, and 218-Po (the isotopes Gentry claims are responsible for the haloes) are all part of the decay series of U-238, and the haloes are found in areas that contain U-238.

2) It's not possible using the techniques that Gentry used (optical microscopy) to distinguish haloes formed due to the decay 222-Rn from 210, 214, or 218-Po haloes. Rn-222 is a gas, and so it is quite likely that it moved through the crystals of biotite (originally forming from the decay of 238-U) and formed the haloes(John Brawley has found evidence for this (although this idea has yet to be validated): <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos.html</a>)

3) Even if the haloes are Polonium haloes, Po-210, 214, and 218 all occur in the decay series of U-238 after Rn-222, and so it's possible that the "parent" of the Po that decayed to form the haloes is Rn-222. In other words, it's possible that the U-238 decayed (through several steps) to form Rn-222, which then migrated through the crystal, which then decayed to form the Polonium isotopes which in turn decayed and formed the haloes.

Ragnarok

Jesus! Er, I mean, Um.... Well, anyway whatever happened to turn the other cheek dude? Or is this the new Jesus - Bigger, Longer, Uncut.

Corwin

I am SO not going there. Not even. Not even ME.

Tigermilk

Thanks John, that's pretty much what I understand about it too.

Unfortunately, that is probably too technincal still to make it into print around here. Maybe just an authoritative declaration that Gentry's work HAD been refuted would work better - it seems the same declaration that it hadn't sufficed for the original writer.

Skydiving_Grandma

I think...if they construct the museum...we should gather a massive group of clear-thinking, active individuals that would be willing to march confidentally toward the structure, encircle it, and then on the end of a number count (insert puke, piss, other disrespectful yet harmless act) on the building that shamelessly celebrates our dark age. Then we'll all hold a picnic afterward.

I know, it's probably not feasible, but seeing such a building would probably envoke some bodily response in me. Just walk up, puke or piss one the doorsteps, then leave.

Grrr, just grrr.

gravitybow

I love the secweb. You can go from the scholarly to the scatological in the span of a single post.

That being said, I don't think a "clear-thinking" individual would actually perform the actions in the last post. That might be a wee bit over the top, Skydiving_Grandma.

Corwin

True.

How about chasing a flock of pigeons over the top of it?

Kvalhion

I am surprised more Christian organizations and people are not objecting to the museum.

Of the many Evolution Vs Creation threads I have seen over the years, invariably the discussion centers around proving Evolution while pretty much ignoring creationism. Continuous requests for the theory of creationism is invariably met with why evolution cannot be true. On its own merits, creationism is ludicrous. The only leg it has to stand on is the alternative to evolution.

Constructing such a museum will only give ammunition to those who can point out why its contents are either wishful thinking or just plain wrong. Theists usually avoid such things at all costs.

I would hope, at the least, that if someone visits both this museum (when it is complete) and a museum based upon science, it will be that much more obvious how rediculous the creationism concept is.

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Coragyps

Or if one were to accidentally drop one's pint bottle of the fairly non-toxic but decidedly barf-flavored butyric acid on the porch just before the Grand Opening........