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Guts · 08-12-2003, 08:36 PM

Yes, you leave out where I link to the discussion of what the function of enolase in the degradosome might be. What is your point?

Guts · 08-12-2003, 08:37 PM

Not gonna answer my question eh Principia? Do you think what Pangloss said was correct? Has any "IDiot" ever written a grant proposal? You wanna change that claim because it's wrong right?

Principia · 08-12-2003, 08:42 PM

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Not gonna answer my question eh Principia?

When have I been responsible for questions you direct at Pangloss? Get real. In any case, I have my own interpretation of Pangloss's question

As the Defender of ID you have much more to answer for:

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Show us one grant proposal written by an IDiot where the research purpose is ID.

If you want to be childish about this, I made this request first.

Guts · 08-12-2003, 08:47 PM

Principia,

If that is your question to me, I am unaware of any research grant proposals done by IDers for the explicit purpose of concluding ID, but then, who would they submit it to? There is no ID lab that exists, when one was attempted to be made at Baylor, the effort was shot down.

Principia · 08-12-2003, 08:54 PM

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Guts: but then, who would they submit it to?

In other words, "Please do the leg work of finding grant money for me..."

Sorry, that's not my job (you might try asking Howard Ahmanson that question though).

But at least you admit being "unaware" of ID grants. So much for your posturing that there is an earnest attempt to conduct ID research.

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There is no ID lab that exists, when one was attempted to be made at Baylor, the effort was shot down.

Another attempt at revising history. Dumbski shot himself in the foot. There was no one to blame in that situation except the IDiot himself.

Guts · 08-12-2003, 08:57 PM

Puhhhleaze, Dembski could have looked at one of them wrong and the effort would have still been shot down. It was a circus from the beginning.

Doubting Didymus · 08-12-2003, 08:58 PM

Right-o. It looks to me like this thread is no longer discussing CNN coverage in texas, but has moved on to a broad discussion of ID in general. Given that the same topic with the same participants is going on in the 'ID whining' thread, I think its probably a good idea to take the off topic strands of conversation over to that other thread. I think an actual merge would just confuse things, so this is a request to take any general discussion of ID to the other thread.

ta.

Principia · 08-12-2003, 09:01 PM

Ah but y'see, DD, that's Guts intent. It is called siderailing a discussion or topic, and any ol' ARN or ISCID veteran can tell you it's the last resort of an IDiot when the OP becomes too damaging or embarrassing.

Principia · 08-12-2003, 09:04 PM

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Puhhhleaze, Dembski could have looked at one of them wrong and the effort would have still been shot down. It was a circus from the beginning.

Exactly. Dembski knew this would be the case, and he went ahead and flicked the proverbial finger at them. It was, ironically, a brilliant career move.

Now he can whine about this little fiasco incessantly and sell books on its account.

S2Focus · 08-12-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Guts
Puhhhleaze, Dembski could have looked at one of them wrong and the effort would have still been shot down. It was a circus from the beginning.

Ahem... could you provide the names of some agnostic ID supporters? In an earlier message in this thread, you claimed that they exist. So provide some names, or provide a retraction.

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08-12-2003, 08:36 PM	#121
Guts Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Posts: 90	Yes, you leave out where I link to the discussion of what the function of enolase in the degradosome might be. What is your point?

08-12-2003, 08:37 PM	#122
Guts Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Posts: 90	Not gonna answer my question eh Principia? Do you think what Pangloss said was correct? Has any "IDiot" ever written a grant proposal? You wanna change that claim because it's wrong right?

08-12-2003, 08:47 PM	#124
Guts Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Posts: 90	Principia, If that is your question to me, I am unaware of any research grant proposals done by IDers for the explicit purpose of concluding ID, but then, who would they submit it to? There is no ID lab that exists, when one was attempted to be made at Baylor, the effort was shot down.

08-12-2003, 08:57 PM	#126
Guts Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Posts: 90	Puhhhleaze, Dembski could have looked at one of them wrong and the effort would have still been shot down. It was a circus from the beginning.

08-12-2003, 08:58 PM	#127
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Right-o. It looks to me like this thread is no longer discussing CNN coverage in texas, but has moved on to a broad discussion of ID in general. Given that the same topic with the same participants is going on in the 'ID whining' thread, I think its probably a good idea to take the off topic strands of conversation over to that other thread. I think an actual merge would just confuse things, so this is a request to take any general discussion of ID to the other thread. ta.

08-12-2003, 09:01 PM	#128
Principia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: anywhere Posts: 1,976	Ah but y'see, DD, that's Guts intent. It is called siderailing a discussion or topic, and any ol' ARN or ISCID veteran can tell you it's the last resort of an IDiot when the OP becomes too damaging or embarrassing.

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