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Old 07-13-2003, 07:51 PM   #1
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Default YEC and Bible-thumpers are racists!

Headline to get some attention, but my real point is to get some response on a topic I don’t ever see go beyond the Babel excuse for human diversity from the believers’ viewpoint.
I say racist because it seems the whole Bible lore is centered around a bunch of pseudo-white guys in robes with the occasional smattering of “Nubia” and close-enough peoples from Arabia, with no mention of Inuit, Inca, aboriginals, Mongolians (who almost kicked their Christian butts a couple times in recent history (as it relates to the planet’s age). Not just in the psalms, scriptures, and street-corner rants but in ANY talk of what happened after the so-called Babel-breakup. Since Christianity sprung up in the Middle East and basically stayed to be sucked up by Europeans, it’s been basically a “white man’s” religion since its inception. Some 6- or 700 years after the flood, we are to believe there was enough genetic diversity to allow for a world-wide spread of humanity? Sounds like multiregionalism with a creationist bent to me.

How to explain arrowheads going back almost 20,000 years in North America and some sites in South America that may go back twice that far…but enough of the non-100% datable examples…why aren’t there any Judeo-Christian sites in the pre-Columbian Americas anywhere? HOW did the Incas and aboriginals get where they wound up? With no Bering land bridge in the area 3500 years ago, they must have sailed over and then just tossed their mighty seafaring ways to the wind to hunt ‘roos and llamas instead. Why is their religion in no way related to Christianity? They could have forgotten in the ensuing millennia but if Native Americans claim to keep the stories alive from their earliest descendants, wouldn’t SOME semblance of the Middle East and its religion stay intact?

Could I get a response other than “goddidit” or “microevolution” from the thumper crowd (hopefully more than both of them on this site)...if the Catholic church has been hell-bent recruiting for 1500 years, why didn’t they chase down a potential windfall of new members elsewhere before Columbus or Marco Polo paved the way? They should have recalled Babel and said “Let’s go get ‘em, boys!” If lowly outcasts in the 17+/- century BCE could figure out how to traverse thousands of miles of land and sea, surely the gung-ho Church could have found a way. Why didn’t God pick on these other cultures for not worshipping ‘im? Because ancient Africans used stone tools, is that implying stereotypical racial inequalities in intelligence? Since all the human innovations that occurred prior to 4000 BCE (the Biblical Big Bang) can be lumped conveniently as “always being there”, at SOME point stone tools were used (meaning a dumbing down) and the Egyptians decided to forego building 300-foot obelisks in favor of their eventual dinky 500-tonners (if Noah could build a football field-sized boat, the later Egyptians should have used that technology to build REALLY big representational spires of light to impress the masses…nothing to do with the fact as good a boat-building people as they were, they could only go so far given their technology to transport their finished works originating south of Memphis).

But I’m rambling; my main question is: just how does YE thought provide an answer for all the human diversity we see today? Starting with the Exodus Part 2 (or would it be 1?), how did Africa, India, Siberia, Pacific Rim, the Americas, all get inhabited by such a rich variety of people? Just because they didn’t speak the same language, doesn’t mean they snubbed their noses at each other. Look at New York City or Istanbul or Toronto today. Sure, we can be prejudicial to this day, but to imply a mass parting-of-ways sounds like WAY too much bias…about language? If an Italian-only babe were to hit on me, I wouldn’t cast her advances off just because I couldn’t understand her. Our most primitive attraction is appearance, not culture. I don’t buy the simple explanation of that damned tower as the cause of our human diversity; to be a translator back then must have been a very good-paying gig, if you could get it. (And if this “Babelization” were real, did it avoid splitting the language commonality amongst family members and did mom and dad use it as an excuse to say “Screw you” and part ways just like that?) Is there an implication the pharaohs spoke the same language as a Sumerian and the Ice-Man found in the Alps from some 4500 years ago? That alone is a trick worthy of divine intervention.

Specifically…what about our appearance in different cultures? Why black skin? Asian eyelids? No emaciated New Zealanders? (That might be a stereotype but I mean it in a way as to say there are variances and nuances that carry throughout a particular culture---short Masai, anyone?) Don’t use, say, the Spanish-Inca-Carib-Mayan intermingling as an example of rapid appearance alteration…can you honestly tell the difference between a present-day Mayan and a Mexican from the Yucatan? Besides, aren’t there just as many blonde/blue-eyed Spaniards as raven-haired ones? I’m talking about outright obvious physical changes to entire cultures…skin and other anatomical differences that weren’t there before.
What’s your opinion on DNA mutations being the highest in African populations?
Scots being buried with their tartans on in China from, what, 3000 years ago?
On Neanderthal? Ugly group of people or a creative license to put on earth near-humans with no genetic tie to we H.sapiens?

P.S. Besides using the Flood and Babel and the G of E to explain away things…can’t thumpers just for once consider the fact that a Cro-Magnon taking a dump in the woods probably could care less about “religion”? (taking one not giving one) WHY must religion always be an aspect of what/who we are as a species? Religion is a man-made invention…gods come and go. I’ll give JC credit for sticking around this long, but just like Zeus and Odin, even He will fade away into the dust bowl of unused and passed-over gods, eventually.

P.P.S. I think I could dig up some of the links/refs I vaguely remember from an ENG1020 research assignment on out of Africa v. multiregionalism I did, if needed. My apologies if some of the dates/numbers/facts/figures are off. I’m writing in irritation due to a stupid movie clip I saw by AiG on evolution. Because the RIAA and Hollywood deem how I obtained it illegal, I can’t say how/where/what it is.

(Hopefully the forum gods feel satisfied I have chosen wisely in my banter placement)
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