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Spaz · 05-14-2003, 06:43 PM

That still doesn't explain the whole forgetting about their god and making up entire new ones without any trace of the former. How do they explain that?

m00ner · 05-14-2003, 06:47 PM

The flood never actually happened. Am I the only one that realizes how physically impossible some of the feats overcome in that story are?

Azathoth · 05-14-2003, 06:50 PM

Not at all.Almost everyone here does,too,but trying to get a fundy to admit it,is a whole other thing.

Jayjay · 05-14-2003, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by trillian1
About the "race" thing..

I have heard an argument which says that each of Noah's sons represents a race. Black, White, and Asian. They dispersed after the flood and became races we see today. Funny stuff, huh?

Never heard what they thought about Incans, mayans, or native americans though????

"They're black. No wait, white. Take that back, asian! Aargh, now you're confusing me, don't defy God!"

Lobstrosity · 05-15-2003, 12:08 AM

My final question would be why God always seems to choose the most complicated, roundabout, inefficient way possible to carry His plans to fruition. As a being who could do anything save mess with free will, couldn't God have handled things a little better? I don't know, does anyone think it would have been easier to simply strike all humans except for Noah and his family dead? If He didn't want to have to deal with all the bodies, couldn't He have perhaps simply made them vanish? Maybe he could have just started over again from scratch--fuck Noah and his sinful descendants. Couple this with the needless complexity of the whole Jesus shindig and you've got to conclude that God was one giant Rube Goldberg fan.

Arikay · 05-15-2003, 12:38 AM

Yeah, I agree. Or what about the slaughter of all those inoccent animals?

I mean, if god knows all, then he knew he would flood the world. Yet he told the animals to be fruitfull and multiple. He then saved only two of each kind and murdered the others with a giant flood because some humans were being bad.

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Originally posted by Lobstrosity
My final question would be why God always seems to choose the most complicated, roundabout, inefficient way possible to carry His plans to fruition. As a being who could do anything save mess with free will, couldn't God have handled things a little better? I don't know, does anyone think it would have been easier to simply strike all humans except for Noah and his family dead? If He didn't want to have to deal with all the bodies, couldn't He have perhaps simply made them vanish? Maybe he could have just started over again from scratch--fuck Noah and his sinful descendants. Couple this with the needless complexity of the whole Jesus shindig and you've got to conclude that God was one giant Rube Goldberg fan.

sakrilege · 05-15-2003, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by Lobstrosity
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a. At what point in our history did Noah's descendants go to Africa and turn black? What caused them to forget all about Noah's God?
b. At what point in our history did Noah's descendants go to Asia and turn Asian? Why did they forget about Noah's God?
c. At what point in our history did Noah's descendants make it to the Americas? How did they get there?

Don't forget, the Tower of Babel incident, Genesis 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. So they had help from the lord getting to their designated spots. But if all these people are descendents of Noah, how come the genetic variation is so great in just a few thousand years?

ps418 · 05-15-2003, 05:27 AM

My 5 year old daughter has some questions about the flood too, mainly theological. I've decided that it would be better for me to teach her about the bible than than anyone else, so I've been reading her some bible stories, one of which is the Flood. She just keeps asking me why God "drownded" all the people, and whether kitty cats and the zebras in Africa were "drownded" too. I told her, yes, the story says that God drownded everybody. She said the story is about a "bad man," and she doesn't want to read it anymore.

Maybe next week we'll read the poignant story of Abraham and Isaac, or maybe the Exodus. Maybe she'll like those better.

Patrick

Godless Dave · 05-15-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by trillian1
About the "race" thing..

I have heard an argument which says that each of Noah's sons represents a race. Black, White, and Asian. They dispersed after the flood and became races we see today. Funny stuff, huh?

Never heard what they thought about Incans, mayans, or native americans though????

Since they didn't learn about those populations in fourth grade, their theory does not need to account for them.

Duvenoy · 05-15-2003, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by EvolvEarth
God let the flood happen because of the imperfections of man and then said that he no longer would do that to the earth because of the imperfections of man. Basically, God realized what he did was a mistake.

Um. I was given the impression that The Big Dude was perfect and didn't make mistakes. All the preachers I've ever heard say so.

Nice to know that God can be an even bigger fuckup than all the rest of us put together.

doov

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05-14-2003, 06:43 PM	#11
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	That still doesn't explain the whole forgetting about their god and making up entire new ones without any trace of the former. How do they explain that?

05-14-2003, 06:47 PM	#12
m00ner Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: St. Paul Posts: 180	The flood never actually happened. Am I the only one that realizes how physically impossible some of the feats overcome in that story are?

05-14-2003, 06:50 PM	#13
Azathoth Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The centre of infinity Posts: 1,181	Not at all.Almost everyone here does,too,but trying to get a fundy to admit it,is a whole other thing.

05-15-2003, 12:08 AM	#15
Lobstrosity Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 719	My final question would be why God always seems to choose the most complicated, roundabout, inefficient way possible to carry His plans to fruition. As a being who could do anything save mess with free will, couldn't God have handled things a little better? I don't know, does anyone think it would have been easier to simply strike all humans except for Noah and his family dead? If He didn't want to have to deal with all the bodies, couldn't He have perhaps simply made them vanish? Maybe he could have just started over again from scratch--fuck Noah and his sinful descendants. Couple this with the needless complexity of the whole Jesus shindig and you've got to conclude that God was one giant Rube Goldberg fan.

05-15-2003, 05:27 AM	#18
ps418 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Louisville, KY, USA Posts: 1,840	My 5 year old daughter has some questions about the flood too, mainly theological. I've decided that it would be better for me to teach her about the bible than than anyone else, so I've been reading her some bible stories, one of which is the Flood. She just keeps asking me why God "drownded" all the people, and whether kitty cats and the zebras in Africa were "drownded" too. I told her, yes, the story says that God drownded everybody. She said the story is about a "bad man," and she doesn't want to read it anymore. Maybe next week we'll read the poignant story of Abraham and Isaac, or maybe the Exodus. Maybe she'll like those better. Patrick

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