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Nowhere is it said that the person having the loving relationship is the same person torturing your parents and denying proper food and shelter.

Bryan Mc

Actually, I think the phrase where MM said "loving, sexual relationship with a 7-year-old girl where she is clothed..." and "loving platonic relationship with a 7-year-old girl where she is denied food..." denotes that it is in the context of each relationship where food, clothing, shelter and so on is either provided or denied. The "relationship" is "where" all of the subsequent things are happening. As long as we're going to be pedantic with JohnV, may as well do the same with MM.

But, even giving you your intepretation, can you answer the follow up question from JohnV?:

Are there circumstances in which the man would have the opportunity to have a sexual relationship with the girl, but would not also have the alternative of having a platonic relationship with the girl? If so, what are those circumstances?

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Valmorian

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Interesting, examine the question:

You've contradicted yourself here when you claimed the rape was the lesser of two evils. Does that not make it "better" for the girl?

I don't see that question asking if it's appropriate, only whether it's better.

Vesica

Okay..Here I go playing D.A. (Devil's Advocate):

Does said 7-year old get any say in this?? As in maybe she would prefer one over the other?

Also, where are we...Are we talking 'if this happened today' or ever?? If the answer is ever, I would like to know where we are in history since there are a number of time periods and cultures where either relationship would be okay and endorsed socially. Of course, it would help if the girl was sexually mature (Silly you say but some seven year olds can have periods).

Liquidrage

Amen-Moses.

It seems to me you are arguing over the intrinsic morality of intergenerational sex. That is it possible that the negative effects of intergenerational sex may be learned responses and not inherent ones. Is this correct?

However, given current societal values would you think (excluding extreme and unrealistic scenarios such as the "gun to the head") that it would be ok for yourself to have sex with a child?

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Amen-Moses

Originally posted by Liquidrage:
It seems to me you are arguing over the intrinsic morality of intergenerational sex. That is it possible that the negative effects of intergenerational sex may be learned responses and not inherent ones. Is this correct?

It is imo a possibility given that other cultures and indeed other species differ widly from *our* (assuming you ignore small differences you can roughly determine an *our* to most peoples satisfaction) societal mores and don't seem to suffer for it.

However, given current societal values would you think (exlcusing extreme and unrealistic scenarios such as the "gun to the head") that it would be ok for yourself to have sex with a child?

No, in fact I have been propositioned by two girls (not at the same time of course ) in the past and turned them down because they were too young imo, both girls were older than the age that some on these boards have admitted having no-harm sexual experiences.

In fact I have never had a sexual relationship with anyone of either sex younger than my societies laws allow since reaching that age myself.

A more interesting question arose, in my mind at least, on a visit to other cultures where the laws were different, i.e I wondered whether I would adjust my opinion of what was too young to those of the culture visited or keep my ingrained ones from my own culture. The situation never actually arose but it did concern me for a while as a hypothetical exercise at least.

Amen-Moses

lunatic.retired

Statement:
There is no such thing as consenual sex between a 7 yr old child and an adult.

A child cannot consent to something they know nothing about.

Sex with a child is ABUSE. End of story. The child WILL be harmed, most cultures recognize this harm but it appears some don't.

Goodbye

The Other Michael

Then can an adult who has never had a sexual relationship consent to something they know nothing about?

If first-hand knowledge is a necessary condition for consent, it would seem not.

If it isn't, and the necessary condition is the ability to imagine having such a relationship, would a child or virginal adult then be able to give consent?

And how accurate must the imagination of the relationship be?

cheers,
Michael

cjack

I am still trying to figure out why there is an effort on this board to justify sexual relations with small children...anyone care to jump in on that one???

Regarding consent:

I think we're arguing over the issue of "what is the age of consent for sexual relations?"

I think it is safe to say that anyone who hasn't gone through puberty cannot possibly consent to sexual relations. This rules out 7 year olds.

Next question?

lunatic.retired

A virginal adult has a completely different 'knowledge' of sex than a 7yr old child. I thought that would be blindingly obvious.

This is sick..I'm gone