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David Mathews · 07-16-2002, 07:21 PM

Hello Philosoft,

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Perhaps you should ask Helen for her permission to use her private thoughts as an evangelical tool. I'm not so sure she agrees with you that the atheists here need more blatant conversion attempts. In any case, Helen is a secweb veteran, as you might have noticed. Any who wish to know her story have probably already asked her.

David: I am not asking for her testimony on the atheists' behalf. I am asking for her edification on my own behalf. I want to hear hear story, I want to enjoy the light of the gospel displayed in her soul, I want to see God's work in her life.

Helen really doesn't have to say very much. She has said alot already. She's an evangelical Christian who has faith and love for God.

What a great testimony for Theism?

I share with Helen my love for the Lord's prayer:

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Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
on earth as it is done in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors.
And do not lead us to temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.
For yours is the kingdom and the power
and the glory. Amen.

Amen, indeed.

Helen doesn't have to proselytize among you in some blatant way, her very life is a perpetual testimony of the reality of God and God's benevolent care for His children.

Helen's posted a whole lot but she speaks few words about her faith, she is heeding the advice of Solomon in Ecclesiastes 5:2, "For God is in heaven and you are on earth; therefore let your words be few."

Give glory to God, we have two God-fearing Christians on this board!

Sincerely,

David Mathews

David Mathews · 07-16-2002, 07:24 PM

Hello DRFseven,

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I'm on to you, David Matthews; leave Helen alone! She is sincere and much appreciated here.

I love my fellow Christian, Helen. She loves God. She is a Christian. She is evangelical. She is a voice of God here on this board.

I am praising Helen, not bothering her in the least. Perhaps she has become embarrassed by all of this praise, but I can tell you right now she deserves it.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

Philosoft · 07-16-2002, 07:25 PM

David, you seem to have lost all semblance of rationality. Please come back soon.

Anunnaki · 07-16-2002, 07:30 PM

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Perhaps she has become embarrassed by all of this praise, but I can tell you right now she deserves it.

Nobody deserves the type of embarrassment that naturally comes from being associated with you.
Normally I`d tell someone who was talking like you to go home and sleep it off,but you`re not drunk!

David Mathews · 07-16-2002, 07:30 PM

Hello Anunnaki,

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Helen may believe in God,but she certainly does not share your zeal or your madness.

You are mistaken is saying Helen may believe in God: Helen does believe in God. She said so herself.

Helen shares my joy in the faith, that joy which is expressed by the Psalmist: "Let all those rejoice who put their trust in You; let them ever shout for joy, because You defend them; let those also who love Your name, be joyful in You. For You, LORD, will bless the righteous; with favor You will surround him as with a shield."

Helen is such a Christian. The joy, happiness and peace of God shine through her words, speaking more eloquently on behalf of faith in God than any blatant gospel preaching on her part could ever accomplish.

I thank the Lord for Christians such as Helen. I hope that all the Christians here will follow her example in standing for the Lord among atheists.

Thank you, Helen, for your testimony. I can sense your soul in the Lord, I know that God is working in your heart.

Give glory to God, look at her example!

Sincerely,

David Mathews

David Mathews · 07-16-2002, 07:32 PM

Hello Philosoft,

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David, you seem to have lost all semblance of rationality. Please come back soon.

David: I enjoy sharing scriptures with fellow Christians. Don't you know that this is common custom among Christians: Speaking about God, displaying God's work in our souls, revealing our strengths and weaknesses to each other, and displaying Christian love among atheists and other opponents of the faith.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

David Mathews · 07-16-2002, 07:35 PM

Hello Anunnaki,

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Nobody deserves the type of embarrassment that naturally comes from being associated with you.
Normally I`d tell someone who was talking like you to go home and sleep it off,but you`re not drunk!

David: Helen can't be embarrassed. She is a prolific poster on the board with many thousands of posts more than myself. She undoubtedly has told you all about her faith, given her testimony numerous times already.

Helen certainly had not hidden her Christianity. She has declared numerous times that she is a Theist. She has a web page and it is undated daily.

I can praise Helen because she is the boldest Christian woman I have ever met in my life. Imagine that -- a woman of faith posting thousands of time on an atheist board!

Helen deserves praise, and so I am praising her.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

Eudaimonist · 07-16-2002, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by David Mathews:
<strong>Helen has made such a display of Christian faith and love on this board that even atheists have noticed it.</strong>

I don't think that's what the atheists here have noticed and have a positive regard for. Now I shall praise Helen.

I don't follow Helen's posts closely, but based on what I have seen, Helen is an extremely rare sort of Christian poster. Possibly unique. She seems to have made an honest effort to understand the personal perspectives of atheists. She isn't limited to her own personal context -- she tries to see things from within the contexts of others without mixing in her own context. This is not to say that she agrees with atheists, only that she seems to be able to explain in her own words where atheists are "coming from".

This is in marked contrast to Christians who, for instance, claim that atheists deep down really believe in God. (This comment is not directed at you, David; I don't recall your stance on this.) These sorts of Christian misunderstandings get tiresome very quickly, and they are so very common.

Please don't try to push Helen into your idea of how to act around atheists, because that's how it seems to me. You have much to learn from her, and don't think it is only about "Christian faith and love". In some ways, Helen is often a good example of honesty and rationality. That is the real reason she is respected around here.

David Mathews · 07-16-2002, 08:15 PM

Hello Eudaimonist,

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I don't think that's what the atheists here have noticed and have a positive regard for. Now I shall praise Helen.

I don't follow Helen's posts closely, but based on what I have seen, Helen is an extremely rare sort of Christian poster. Possibly unique. She seems to have made an honest effort to understand the personal perspectives of atheists. She isn't limited to her own personal context -- she tries to see things from within the contexts of others without mixing in her own context. This is not to say that she agrees with atheists, only that she seems to be able to explain in her own words where atheists are "coming from".

This is in marked contrast to Christians who, for instance, claim that atheists deep down really believe in God. (This comment is not directed at you, David; I don't recall your stance on this.) These sorts of Christian misunderstandings get tiresome very quickly, and they are so very common.

Please don't try to push Helen into your idea of how to act around atheists, because that's how it seems to me. You have much to learn from her, and don't think it is only about "Christian faith and love". In some ways, Helen is often a good example of honesty and rationality. That is the real reason she is respected around here.

This is the greatest sort of testimony an atheist can give for a Christian: Proverbs 27:2, "Let another man praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips."

You atheists are not alone in praising my fellow sister in Christ, Helen. I must praise her myself. I have found only a small number of Christians who make such great efforts to reach atheists with the example of love and tolerance displayed by this kind woman.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

P.S. "This is in marked contrast to Christians who, for instance, claim that atheists deep down really believe in God. (This comment is not directed at you, David; I don't recall your stance on this.)"

My stance on this matter: Atheists really do believe in God. I know that there are atheists on the board even now who are desperately searching for God.

Helen is here to lead you to Him. If you follow Helen' example you will certainly find God.

sandlewood · 07-16-2002, 08:16 PM

Helen has been participating in your discussions for some time. It just seems a bit odd that you start to gush only right after she says she believes in God and loves him.

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I can praise Helen because she is the boldest Christian woman I have ever met in my life. Imagine that -- a woman of faith posting thousands of time on an atheist board!

It doesn�t take boldness. It�s easy for anyone who leaves his or her bigotry at the door.
And I second Eudaimonist�s last paragraph above.

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