Amaranth

I am superiour to your god - My existance can be proven.

That makes no sense what-so-ever. If Jesus is god, then Jesus was the one who set up the whole bunk system of sin and judgement that Jesus was sent to fix. Jesus is omniscient. Therefore, Jesus knew that he would have to come to earth as a human in the future to modify his plan of blood sacrifice and sin. So, Jesus sacrificed nothing at all - he planned it from the beginning.

Even *IF* one goes off the idea that god was somehow making a sacrifice, he was still only doing it to get what he wanted - worship. His blood sacrifice was just another bribe in my book.

You're correct; God is by far inferiour. Not only do I provably exist, a serious advantage over god, I am also not given to fits of homicide, genocide, infaticide, ect-cide. I've never condemned a single person to eternal punishment, and I've never killed or tortured anyone. All and all, I'm a saint compared to your god.

Amaranth

JerryM

Thanks for your response. I still see a contradiction with the idea of a perfect God. If God is indeed perfect, I don't see why He would want anything. If an entity wants to do something, then it must logically follow that the entity has some wish, or desire that it is trying to fulfill. If God wanted humans to share his glory and worship him, it suggests that in some way He is lonely, or lacks self-esteem. Not what I would call absolutely perfect. And while we're at it, why did God create animals? Animals don't have souls (correct?); they're presumably not capable of any understanding or reverence for God. And I don't think you can say that they were created for human's benefit, since they were created before us. Just wondering.

Biff the unclean

Magus: I see you think you are equal to God. Talk about an Ego.
Oh I think that I'm better than God. I have powers that God lacks. I can be seen and heard. You can even feel me and smell me if you've a mind to. (I draw the line at tasting) Those are things that God can never do, being a fictional character.

He died for everyone that accepts His gift. Why is this such a hard concept.
Because you mentioned him dying for his worst enemy and now you've changed that to only his toadies.

Death does have no power over the saved.
Then you had better get a shovel and start digging. Grandma must be getting pretty bored in that coffin.

By conquering sin and death, Jesus paid for the crimes we committed.
I've never committed a crime. It was a waste of time dying for me, he could have gotten away with a poke in the nose to cover anything that I've done

Whereas without Jesus, we would all be destined for Hell.
Odd that not only does Jesus save you from hell but Jesus is the one who invented hell. So Jesus is saving you from Jesus.

Billions of people will escape death at the rapture, and those who have died, will be brought back to life. Hence, death has no power over the saved in Christ.
When you go floating up into the air (what Revelations says but not the Left Behind series) be sure to wave. And remember to always wear clean underwear. You don't want Jesus to catch you in dingy shorts.

tribalbeeyatch

Setting aside all of the deeper philosophical issues that have manifested themselves in this thread, is the above quote actually true? I don't know one way or the other, but it strikes me as odd that a convict would *need* to accept a pardon. If the governor pardons him, then can he really say "nope, I'm staying right here"? That wouldn't make one lick of sense, and it seems to provide an all too convenient analogy for Christians and their concept of salvation.

Magus55

Priests are fallible, sinful humans, not God. When did i say God wants us to have a familial relationship with priests?

Biff the unclean

He's responsible for the actions of his employees while they are on duty.

Magus55

Its not a contradiction. I don't know how better to explain it. God needs nothing and nobody. His existence is self sustaining. However, God loves to create; he is a Creator. He wants to share his wonders and glory with others, not because He has to or needs them, but because He wants to. He loves His creation and wants them to share in His gifts.

Does a parent need a child to survive or exist? No, they just want to have children and watch them grow and prosper. They don't need children, but they want children to be able to enjoy life.

Animals were most likely created for humans. Them being created first doesn't mean anything, because God brought the animals to Adam for Adam to name and take care of. Animals were made for us to have something to take care of and enjoy ( some anyway). The others are probably just to add to the majesty, and diversity of God's creation. They make things different and many have a specific purpose.

wildernesse

Thanks for the laughs and the imaginative posts! I especially like the monster under my bed being upset with the bedwetting incident.

Why did God create Humans? I don't know. Did he do it on purpose? I don't know, but it doesn't look likely.

--tibac

spacedOut

This all sounds really nice, but can't you see even a glimmer of a contradiction between a loving creator of imperfect beings and eternal suffering for those same imperfect beings who simply made the wrong choice (according to the creator)

AspenMama

Well I think we'd all be better off without some this particular god's more creative experiments...

AIDS for one...

Roaches, termites, a whole slew of insects that I don't think of in loving terms...