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djmullen · 07-23-2003, 04:13 AM

This is from their online store, referring to "The Copernican Revolution: A Fable for Educated Men" by the head of the society:

The Copernican Revolution: A fable for educated men ed. by G. Bouw. A collection of responses submitted in response the Dr. Danny Faulkner's "Geocentrism and Creation," promoted by Answers in Genesis. Each of these was submitted to Creations Ex Nihilo but were rejected for publication for reasons not always clearly explained. Illustrated, glue bound. (44 pages) $7.00

Ken Ham must get a lot of really interesting mail!

Jayjay · 07-23-2003, 04:35 AM

Jerry Faulkner's "Geocentrism and Creationism" at AnswersInGenesis (emphasis mine):

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Some creationists believe that the scientific assault on the Bible did not begin with biological evolution, but with the acceptance of the heliocentric (or more properly, geokinetic) theory centuries ago. These people believe that the Bible clearly states that the Earth does not move, and hence the only acceptable Biblical cosmology is a geocentric one. Modern geocentrists use both Biblical and scientific arguments for their case. We examine these arguments, and find them poorly founded. The Scriptural passages quoted do not address cosmology. Some geocentrists draw distinctions that do not exist in the original autographs or even in translations. In short, the Bible is neither geocentric nor heliocentric. While geocentrists present some interesting scientific results, their scientific arguments are often based upon improper understanding of theories and data. Much of their case is based upon a misunderstanding of general relativity and the rejection of that theory. While geocentrists are well intended, their presence among recent creationists produces an easy object of ridicule by our critics.

:boohoo:

markfiend · 07-23-2003, 04:49 AM

These people are Discordians.

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All assertions are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true false and meaningless in some sense.

This is a dead give-away; a common Discordian "catma" (analogous to dogma). They are very interesting people to talk to, even if they do sound like whacked-out hippies at times. And they make my brain ache after a while!

Discordianism is a sister-"religion" to the Church of the SubGeniusTM

A common tactic of Discordians and SubGenii is "Operation Mindfuck" (AKA Ontological Terrorism) in which deliberately non-sensical ideas are presented in an attempt to shock the victim out of dogmatic thought.

Jack the Bodiless · 07-23-2003, 05:55 AM

Wasn't there a Muslim cleric who insisted that the Earth was flat, a few years ago?

I suspect there are still quite a few Muslim and Christian flat-Earthers that we don't get to hear from because they don't have Internet access.

Pantera · 07-23-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless
Wasn't there a Muslim cleric who insisted that the Earth was flat, a few years ago?

"The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished." [Muslim religious edict, 1993, Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz, Supreme religious authority, Saudi Arabia]

The source usually given is The New York Times, February 12, 1995, p. A-14, though I haven't been able to check it myself.

Hugo Holbling · 07-23-2003, 01:37 PM

The Flat Earth society took much succour from the so-called Bedford Canal Experiment, in which Alfred Russell Wallace took up a challenge to prove that the earth was not flat. This stretch of canal in Cambridgeshire is approximately six miles long and straight as an arrow; hence it was supposed that an object suspended from a bridge at one end should not be visible at the other due to the curvature of the earth.

Wallace won his bet (for �500) but the experiment was the cause of some controversy because the flat earthers maintained (on the basis, it must be said, of further experiment) that the results in fact came down on the side of the flat earth; moreover, others repeated the experiment and were forced to conclude therefrom that we live on the inside of the earth. In short, the experiment seemed to support a variety of interpretations - due to poor conducting thereof or otherwise - and support them it did. A full account of this fascinating and amusing episode is given by John Michell in his Eccentric Lives & Peculiar Notions.

Valentine Pontifex · 07-23-2003, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Pantera
"The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished." [Muslim religious edict, 1993, Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz, Supreme religious authority, Saudi Arabia]

The source usually given is The New York Times, February 12, 1995, p. A-14, though I haven't been able to check it myself.

God said it. I believe it. That settles it. So the earth must be flat....

Jobar · 07-23-2003, 05:34 PM

I can't recall exactly where I read it, but it seems that a Saudi Arabian prince was a passenger on a US Shuttle mission; after he got back, he went and assured this cleric that he, a follower of the prophet, had seen with his own eyes that the Earth was spherical.

I suppose you might search NASA records for this.

Suburban · 07-24-2003, 02:34 PM

These Flat-Earthers are NOT for real....are they?? *snicker*

All those links are to parody sites, right?? I mean, c'mon...I'M a Christian, but, geez to believe that the Earth is FLAT?? *snicker* *chortle*

emotional · 07-25-2003, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by Suburban
These Flat-Earthers are NOT for real....are they?? *snicker*

All those links are to parody sites, right?? I mean, c'mon...I'M a Christian, but, geez to believe that the Earth is FLAT?? *snicker* *chortle*

What are you snickering for? The Christian Bible is a flat-earth book from Genesis to Revelation. If you're a true Christian who believes everything God says, you should be a flat-earther too.

The Flat Earth Bible

07-23-2003, 04:13 AM	#21
djmullen Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Madison, WI, USA Posts: 97	One more from the Geocentrists This is from their online store, referring to "The Copernican Revolution: A Fable for Educated Men" by the head of the society: The Copernican Revolution: A fable for educated men ed. by G. Bouw. A collection of responses submitted in response the Dr. Danny Faulkner's "Geocentrism and Creation," promoted by Answers in Genesis. Each of these was submitted to Creations Ex Nihilo but were rejected for publication for reasons not always clearly explained. Illustrated, glue bound. (44 pages) $7.00 Ken Ham must get a lot of really interesting mail!

07-24-2003, 02:34 PM	#29
Suburban Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 11	?? These Flat-Earthers are NOT for real....are they?? snicker All those links are to parody sites, right?? I mean, c'mon...I'M a Christian, but, geez to believe that the Earth is FLAT?? snicker chortle

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07-23-2003, 05:55 AM	#24
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	Wasn't there a Muslim cleric who insisted that the Earth was flat, a few years ago? I suspect there are still quite a few Muslim and Christian flat-Earthers that we don't get to hear from because they don't have Internet access.

07-23-2003, 01:37 PM	#26
Hugo Holbling Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Self-banned in 2005 Posts: 1,344	The Flat Earth society took much succour from the so-called Bedford Canal Experiment, in which Alfred Russell Wallace took up a challenge to prove that the earth was not flat. This stretch of canal in Cambridgeshire is approximately six miles long and straight as an arrow; hence it was supposed that an object suspended from a bridge at one end should not be visible at the other due to the curvature of the earth. Wallace won his bet (for �500) but the experiment was the cause of some controversy because the flat earthers maintained (on the basis, it must be said, of further experiment) that the results in fact came down on the side of the flat earth; moreover, others repeated the experiment and were forced to conclude therefrom that we live on the inside of the earth. In short, the experiment seemed to support a variety of interpretations - due to poor conducting thereof or otherwise - and support them it did. A full account of this fascinating and amusing episode is given by John Michell in his Eccentric Lives & Peculiar Notions.

07-23-2003, 05:34 PM	#28
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	I can't recall exactly where I read it, but it seems that a Saudi Arabian prince was a passenger on a US Shuttle mission; after he got back, he went and assured this cleric that he, a follower of the prophet, had seen with his own eyes that the Earth was spherical. I suppose you might search NASA records for this.

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