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Spaz · 05-04-2003, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
mfaber, the Christians burned their books because it was a false religion.

Phew, if it wasn't for that smilie I'd have thought you were serious...you are kidding right?

mike_decock · 05-05-2003, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by mfaber
Badfish, you do know that the Christian version of Satan is a complete and total corruption (hence a fabrication) of the Jewish version of Satan? The question here is==> which Satan? You may not know this, but Jews have a radically different view of Satan and regard the Christian one as an outlandish corruption.

Great post, mfaber!

:notworthy

-Mike...

Godless Dave · 05-05-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Badfish
Yes, God created Lucifer as his most beautiful highly regarded Angel, and gave the angels freewill, well Lucifer thought he was more powerful than God, and rebelled against him, there was a struggle and Satan and 1/3 of the angels that backed Satan were cast out of heaven.

God hasn't destroyed him yet because he is going to be the scapegoat, and a lesson to everything that embodies God, when he defeats Satan and casts him into the lake of fire.

Do you have a scriptural reference for all that, Badfish?

Walross · 05-05-2003, 08:45 AM

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Why is that insufficient? Are not wars waged because of power struggles? Does man's quest for power and world domination not stem from the fact that they believe themselves powerful enough to conquer? Apparently Satan thought he was more powerful.

I'm sorry, maybe I'm dense but I still don't understand how Satan believing himself more powerful than god is sufficient reason for his rebellion. Most wars and power struggles are about more than just pecking order. Or are you suggesting that god and Satan were trying to determine who was going to be the alpha male?

Bree · 05-05-2003, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by Badfish
Yes, God created Lucifer as his most beautiful highly regarded Angel, and gave the angels freewill, well Lucifer thought he was more powerful than God, and rebelled against him, there was a struggle and Satan and 1/3 of the angels that backed Satan were cast out of heaven.

God hasn't destroyed him yet because he is going to be the scapegoat, and a lesson to everything that embodies God, when he defeats Satan and casts him into the lake of fire.

This show will be grand, and will be a spectacle of God's sovereignity. The righteous and unrighteous will behold this, unfortunately the unbelievers will be cast into the lake with him.

I'm eagerly awaiting a reply.

The fact that you - like so many other good Christians - actually believe this little tale, even when it is strangely absent from the Bible, is very telling. Either you don't know your Good Book very well (or as well as you thought you did) or you are taking other, non-Biblical sources into consideration. If so, what are those sources? What are their credentials?

Magus55 · 05-05-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by Bree
I'm eagerly awaiting a reply.

The fact that you - like so many other good Christians - actually believe this little tale, even when it is strangely absent from the Bible, is very telling. Either you don't know your Good Book very well (or as well as you thought you did) or you are taking other, non-Biblical sources into consideration. If so, what are those sources? What are their credentials?

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Yellum Notnef · 05-05-2003, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Badfish
Noooo, I meant it's dinner time, and that was the time I posted.

Heh. So thats what you call it.
It really does get you much higher if you eat it.

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