Darwin26

Lov is meta
all night Cupid
Saturated Naturally
anal Oh
My G-d

lunachick

John Cale - Hallelujah

I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you?
It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah

Hallelujah

Your faith was strong, but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you
To a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

Hallelujah

Baby I've been here before, I know this room
I've walked this floor
I used to live alone before I knew you
I've seen your flag on the Marble Arch
Love is not a victory march
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah

Hallelujah

There was a time you let me know
What's really going on below
But now you never show it to me, do you?
I remember when I moved in you
And the holy dove was moving too
And every breath we drew was Hallelujah

Hallelujah

Maybe there's a God above, all I ever learned from love
Was how to shoot at someone who out drew you
And it's not a cry you can hear at night
It's not somebody who's seen the light
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah

Hallelujah
Hallelujah

lunachick

Oh, and Darwin26...


You are gifted with words and possessed of a poetic heart, Darwin26! Your poem has qualities that remind me of Ovid. He is another of my favorite writers, though your work is far more iconoclastic.

I am stimulated by your erudite abilities with mood-setting mimesis and delicate understatement. From your poem's opening line to its brilliant conclusion, you have made me weep from an excess of pure emotion. Unquestionably, "anal Oh..." should be inscribed on every policeman's badge. Gawd Cod Luv is absolutely phenomenal, and I will mime its inner-meaning to the crowd during my next street performance.

(By the way, I must say that I would love to sweep you away to Paris, where we could tango the night away. I'm sure you hear that all the time; I hope you don't mind me mentioning it.)

Please do come back and see me soon. I can't wait to read your next poem. Each one is a real pleasure for the reader. You are an inspiration to us all.

RevDahlia

That's Leonard Cohen, not John Cale. Isn't it? Maybe I'm smoking crack. It is beautiful, whoever wrote it.

Darth Dane

That's part of the problem.. that is caused, however, by nearly everything you post being incredibly vague. It says many things to many people precisely BECAUSE it can mean almost anything.

I have made other threads where this is not so outspoken.

'god is love'. Whoop-de-do. Do you mean there is a real deity that is love personified, with an intelligence of it's own, directly meddling in the affairs of the universe? Or do you mean that metaphorically, saying that love is the driving force in all our lives? Or do we "create" god through our love, thus the metaphor becoming real? Or all of the above? Or none of the above?

Love emanates through everything and anything that exist.
When you experience Love, this sweet energy in your chest, do you ask if it is intelligent? Love is a huge driving force in life, Love-making => Life

It's difficult to have a discussion with you simply because few, if any, have any idea just what you're trying to discuss.

Look to other threads of mine.
This is just to say that if you in the name of God kill someone, it can't be God, because if God is Love, then no killing occurs.






DD - Love & Laughter

Ronin

Genesis ~

7:21

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:


7:22
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

7:23

And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

The Christian God kills everything that breathes except for Noah and a couple of his relatives...no love there.

We already have a perfectly good word for love, DD...it is called love.

The word 'god' contains so much useless baggage when left undefined...and even more when defined...that it is time that humanity abandon it for the light of reason.

Darth Dane

Lets seperate the OT God, the christian God, and the God of Christ.

To me they are seperate.

The God that Christ followed, was the God of Love, no (final)death, only Life, for Love is Life.

So we can conclude, that a God of Love only makes it appear that we die, only we don't.





DD - Love & Laughter

emotional

Let's do another test. This time in Greek. The theme of this thread is Love, so it must be appropriate to bring the Chapter of Love here (1 Cor 13). Onwards:

Ἐὰν ταῖς γλώσσαις τῶν ἀνθρώπων λαλῶ καὶ τῶν ἀγγέλων, ἀγάπην δὲ μὴ ἔχω, γέγονα χαλκὸς ἠχῶν ἢ κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον. καὶ ἐὰν ἔχω προφητείαν καὶ εἰδῶ τὰ μυστήρια πάντα καὶ πᾶσαν τὴν γνῶσιν, καὶ ἐὰν ἔχω πᾶσαν τὴν πίστιν ὥστε ὄρη μεθιστάναι, ἀγάπην δὲ μὴ ἔχω, οὐθέν εἰμι. κἂν ψωμίσω πάντα τὰ ὑπάρχοντά μου, καὶ ἐὰν παραδῶ τὸ σῶμά μου ἵνα καυχήσωμαι, ἀγάπην δὲ μὴ ἔχω, οὐδὲν ὠφελοῦμαι. Ἡ ἀγάπη μακροθυμεῖ, χρηστεύεται ἡ ἀγάπη, οὐ ζηλοῖ, [ἡ ἀγάπη] οὐ περπερεύεται, οὐ φυσιοῦται, οὐκ ἀσχημονεῖ, οὐ ζητεῖ τὰ ἑαυτῆς, οὐ παροξύνεται, οὐ λογίζεται τὸ κακόν, οὐ χαίρει ἐπὶ τῇ ἀδικίᾳ, συγχαίρει δὲ τῇ ἀληθείᾳ: πάντα στέγει, πάντα πιστεύει, πάντα ἐλπίζει, πάντα ὑπομένει.

Is it really Greek to you?

Ronin

Originally stated by Darth Dane ~

DD, I surely do not know where you get your notions about the 'God of Christ', but they are surely fanciful and appear in conflict with this...from the first book of the NT:

Matthew ~

25:40

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

25:42

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

25:43

I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

25:44

Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

25:45

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


We can now conclude that this 'God', in any of the assorted apologetics, is not synonymous with the common notion of love.

Love needs no personification...especially one so obviously bitter, vain and tortuous.

Darth Dane

DD, I surely do not know where you get your notions about the 'God of Christ', but they are surely fanciful and appear in conflict with this...from the first book of the NT:

Exactly that is the reason, how can a God of Love say these things?
I don't know if Jesus said that, but it surely counters the God Jesus presents in say the Gospel of Thomas.
As I said if it isn't Love it isn't God.
So I think Jesus have been accredited with some sayings so the "church" could have reason to subdue the masses with fear, I mean come on Jesus said so!!!


We can now conclude that this 'God', in any of the assorted apologetics, is not synonymous with the common notion of love.

Gospel of Thomas is closer in a way.


Love needs no personification...especially one so obviously bitter, vain and tortuous.


See how I seperate the two things.

I hinge myself on the fact that many traditions have said that Love is the "best" or "highest" quality of God. And so seen through those eyes, do I interpret scripture. and then if it isn't Love it isn't God.

Hell? Not Loving, and so untrue.
Final death? Not Loving, and so untrue.






DD - Love & Laughter