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Jonesy · 03-20-2002, 08:34 AM

This is my reply to Oolon Celluphid', who has removed my topic somewhere else. What, are you scared of some normal discussion?

Nothing is exactly what it is: there is 'nothing' in the nothing. Can you imagine 'Nothing'? PURE nothing. Singularity.

The 'anything' DID ACTUALLY appear IN the nothing, because, for the 'anything' to actually exist at the moment, there had to be a defining moment when the boundary between 'nothing yet' and 'something exists' was broken.

The evidence is not yet available. I'm offering intellectual LOGIC arguments. Using the mind only.

The 'Intellect' is collectively what existed before the Big Bang. 'It' was the first thing 'in' the nothing, which means that during his existence 'in' the nothing, there was already 'something', namely this intellect itself. you could say that 'it' was very alone.

The Big Bang - MY logic suggests that it is an intelligent process. Will we one day figure out the 'initial conditions' for this Universe? Will we learn one day to 'simulate' Big Bangs in the classroom and create our own universes at will? The possibilities ARE endless, becasue our ability to 'learn' is without limits.

My post does not refute evolution. All it is saying is that evolution, you could say, apart from not being exactly in all details what Darwin etc. have defined it to be (i.e. humans from monkeys) is actually 'part of the design'.

You could say that 'evolution' or sign of it, was PLANNED even BEFORE the big bang and thus any PHYSICAL changes we see today WERE ALREADY PROGRAMMED. This 'Program' is SO advanced, it appears to us as being 'all random' at this stage of our Earthly understanding.

I will be back at about between 10-12 pm of the Forum's time or at about 8-10 am as usual.

Kevin Dorner · 03-20-2002, 08:42 AM

Speaking of "nothing" this is exactly how much your topic relates to biological evolution. Your crack at Oolon: "What, are you scared of some normal discussion?" is ironic considering that your dicussion is anything but normal for the topic of this board, and entirely uncalled for.

hezekiah jones · 03-20-2002, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by Thiaoouba:
[E]volution, you could say, apart from not being exactly in all details what Darwin etc. have defined it to be (i.e. humans from monkeys) ...

Queen of Swords · 03-20-2002, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Thiaoouba:
This is my reply to Oolon Celluphid', who has removed my topic somewhere else.

No, no, not "somewhere else". To its rightful resting place, where psychedelic T-shirts will be used to blot the remnants of Thiaoouba from the walls and floor.

Oolon Colluphid · 03-20-2002, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by Thiaoouba:

This is my reply to Oolon Celluphid', who has removed my topic somewhere else.

Yup, it�s right <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=47&t=000221" target="_blank">here</a>. Not deleted or anything, just moved to the most appropriate forum.

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What, are you scared of some normal discussion?

Why, were you offering any?

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Nothing is exactly what it is: there is 'nothing' in the nothing. Can you imagine 'Nothing'? PURE nothing. Singularity.

The 'anything' DID ACTUALLY appear IN the nothing, because, for the 'anything' to actually exist at the moment, there had to be a defining moment when the boundary between 'nothing yet' and 'something exists' was broken.

The evidence is not yet available. I'm offering intellectual LOGIC arguments. Using the mind only.

Nope, you�re offering a simple <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=assertion" target="_blank">assertion</a>, and then stating that you cannot back it up.

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The 'Intellect' is collectively what existed before the Big Bang. 'It' was the first thing 'in' the nothing, which means that during his existence 'in' the nothing, there was already 'something', namely this intellect itself. you could say that 'it' was very alone.

You�re not a sock puppet for Amos are you? <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=assertion" target="_blank">Assertion.</a>.

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The Big Bang - MY logic suggests that it is an intelligent process. Will we one day figure out the 'initial conditions' for this Universe? Will we learn one day to 'simulate' Big Bangs in the classroom and create our own universes at will? The possibilities ARE endless, becasue our ability to 'learn' is without limits.

There are more things in your philosophy than are dreamt of in heaven and earth. But logic isn�t one of them. <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=assertion" target="_blank">Assertion.</a>.

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My post does not refute evolution.

Correct. It had sweet FA to do with it, which is why it departed this forum for a better life, seated at the right hand of the Queen (you keep the loo roll on the right, yeah QoS?)

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All it is saying is that evolution, you could say, apart from not being exactly in all details what Darwin etc. have defined it to be (i.e. humans from monkeys) is actually 'part of the design'.

Before I send this to the same, better place, let me point out that there is no evidence of design in nature, or if there is, then the designer is an incompetent sadist. Your �thesis� may disagree with �humans from monkeys�, and it is right to do so. We share a common ancestor. If your idea disagrees with that, then your idea is a pile of guano.

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You could say that 'evolution' or sign of it, was PLANNED even BEFORE the big bang and thus any PHYSICAL changes we see today WERE ALREADY PROGRAMMED.

Could I? Wheee! Thank you VERY much! <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=assertion" target="_blank">Assertion.</a>.

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This 'Program' is SO advanced, it appears to us as being 'all random' at this stage of our Earthly understanding.

What, exactly, is random about natural selection? But anyway, <a href="http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=assertion" target="_blank">assertion.</a>

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I will be back at about between 10-12 pm of the Forum's time or at about 8-10 am as usual.

Please do not back up that assertion. As when other nutcases call, I�ll be out, or at least hiding behind the sofa.

Oolon Colluphid

Oolon Colluphid · 03-20-2002, 09:08 AM

Since it's nothing to do with evolution... off to RRP.

Uh, don't feel bad about it though. This was preordained at the Big Bang....

Oolon

03-20-2002, 08:34 AM	#1
Jonesy Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Melbourne Posts: 121	The debate: why don't we continue it here? This is my reply to Oolon Celluphid', who has removed my topic somewhere else. What, are you scared of some normal discussion? Nothing is exactly what it is: there is 'nothing' in the nothing. Can you imagine 'Nothing'? PURE nothing. Singularity. The 'anything' DID ACTUALLY appear IN the nothing, because, for the 'anything' to actually exist at the moment, there had to be a defining moment when the boundary between 'nothing yet' and 'something exists' was broken. The evidence is not yet available. I'm offering intellectual LOGIC arguments. Using the mind only. The 'Intellect' is collectively what existed before the Big Bang. 'It' was the first thing 'in' the nothing, which means that during his existence 'in' the nothing, there was already 'something', namely this intellect itself. you could say that 'it' was very alone. The Big Bang - MY logic suggests that it is an intelligent process. Will we one day figure out the 'initial conditions' for this Universe? Will we learn one day to 'simulate' Big Bangs in the classroom and create our own universes at will? The possibilities ARE endless, becasue our ability to 'learn' is without limits. My post does not refute evolution. All it is saying is that evolution, you could say, apart from not being exactly in all details what Darwin etc. have defined it to be (i.e. humans from monkeys) is actually 'part of the design'. You could say that 'evolution' or sign of it, was PLANNED even BEFORE the big bang and thus any PHYSICAL changes we see today WERE ALREADY PROGRAMMED. This 'Program' is SO advanced, it appears to us as being 'all random' at this stage of our Earthly understanding. I will be back at about between 10-12 pm of the Forum's time or at about 8-10 am as usual.

03-20-2002, 08:45 AM	#4
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Thiaoouba: <strong>This is my reply to Oolon Celluphid', who has removed my topic somewhere else.</strong> No, no, not "somewhere else". To its rightful resting place, where psychedelic T-shirts will be used to blot the remnants of Thiaoouba from the walls and floor.

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03-20-2002, 08:42 AM	#2
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	Speaking of "nothing" this is exactly how much your topic relates to biological evolution. Your crack at Oolon: "What, are you scared of some normal discussion?" is ironic considering that your dicussion is anything but normal for the topic of this board, and entirely uncalled for.

03-20-2002, 09:08 AM	#6
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	Since it's nothing to do with evolution... off to RRP. Uh, don't feel bad about it though. This was preordained at the Big Bang.... Oolon

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