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ps418 · 11-10-2002, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by ps418:

I'm asking for the scientific evidence that mind can create matter. This is not scientific evidence that mind creates matter. This is a collection of new-agey, Tao of Physics catch-phrases. What is the evidence for these claims? Why should I think that any of these claims are true? And how can I make a cheeseburger out of mind stuff?

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Diesel: That's why I cited the article where that quote came from. (International Journal of Quantum Chemistry )So you can find it if you're close to a library. I doubt it'll be as a whole on the net.

I checked my library listings, and they do have the International Journal of Quantum Chemistry.

Before I even see the article, I can safely predict that the 'evidence' that mind creates matter will turn out to be (an interpretation of) certain quantum physical phenomenon, such as the famous Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen type experiments, the results of which can be interpreted in different ways. These experiments are fascinating, to say the least, but I do not think that they support the idea that mind creates matter, or give any hope for mentally creating a cheeseburger.

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elwoodblues · 11-10-2002, 12:33 PM

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Can you ever, EVER see the difference between personal experience and and scientific experiments???

Yes. Personal experience is not an appropriate subject for hard science, unless it can be generalized forcefully. Scientific experiments ARE eminently appropriate.

Valmorian · 11-11-2002, 08:09 AM

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Can you ever, EVER see the difference between personal experience and and scientific experiments???</strong>

Yeah, personal experience is a hell of a lot less reliable.

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