Chip

I just saw the Phenomenon program, volume II, “Heavy Watergate” hosted by Dean Stockwell (2000?) on a local PBS TV station. I was so impressed by the documentary that I ordered it from Blockbuster online (DVD format only). Looks to me as if the most efficient and ecological source of power is actively suppressed.

Here’s some URLs:

<a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion.html" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion.html</a> <a href="http://www.ncas.org/erab/contents.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ncas.org/erab/contents.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.uap.co.jp/uap/Publication/SERIES/DATA/00013/" target="_blank">http://www.uap.co.jp/uap/Publication/SERIES/DATA/00013/</a>
<a href="http://www.evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=393" target="_blank">http://www.evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=393</a>
<a href="http://www.energyscience.co.uk/le/cfindex.htm" target="_blank">http://www.energyscience.co.uk/le/cfindex.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/navy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/navy.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue6/ar6energy1.html" target="_blank">http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue6/ar6energy1.html</a>
<a href="http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/articles/fusion.htm" target="_blank">http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/articles/fusion.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.rexresearch.com/adept/aa9col~1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rexresearch.com/adept/aa9col~1.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/coldf.html" target="_blank">http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/coldf.html</a>
<a href="http://users.erols.com/iri/LENREW.html" target="_blank">http://users.erols.com/iri/LENREW.html</a>
<a href="http://www.mv.com/ipusers/zeropoint/IEHTML/FEATURE/FEATR/0798clarksci1.html" target="_blank">http://www.mv.com/ipusers/zeropoint/IEHTML/FEATURE/FEATR/0798clarksci1.html</a>

Regards, Chip

See the review of the Phenomenon video posted November 23, 2002 10:32 PM further down within this thread.

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Thor Q. Mada

Sorry to disappoint you, but its all BS. This is now going on for ages and it becomes quite boring. It goes nicely with all the other conspiracy theories. Don't buy shares in a company specialized or breaking through in cold fusion.

Ohio_Infidel

Always beware of snake oil salesmen like Fleischmann and Pons.

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Seraphim

"Looks to me as if the most efficient and ecological source of power is actively suppressed."

My reply : That could be true ... IF scientists managed to fix a few small problems, such as how to increase the temperature needed (not much - 300 million celsius only) to combine two hydrogen atoms (the lighest atoms around) to fuse together and become another element (I believe it is called Deutenium or something).

For now, old Fission is still the best bet we have to produce energy once Fossil fuel demises.

Demosthenes

So far to date, people haven't been able to reproduce the cold fusion experiments except for a 'few' select ones. The data upon closer analysis have been shown to be either inconclusive or outright bogus. So for now, cold fusion is in limbo. You would be better off investing in companies developing hydrogen based fuels.

Thor Q. Mada

Correct Demosthenes,
Hydrogen is the energy source for the future, but it should be made electrically, and not via LNG as they are planning today.
The big companies are all planning on hydrogen via LNG. Then they can stay in control for production as well as transport. In fact at this very moment in time, an enormeous amount of LNG ships is being build speculatively. While LNG is a relatively clean burning gas, the fuel cell and the production of hydrogen , still produces large quantities of carbon dioxide.
The best way to produce hydrogen, is through electricity via fision power plants and later (I hope) fusion power plants.

Chip

If you get a chance to check out that Phenomenon video you will be amazed. It is quite thorough. How about that last link with Arthur C. Clarke's endorsement of cold fusion? Guess he's been duped too, huh? LOL

Autonemesis

Arthur C. Clarke also thinks his satellite video link is futuristic, and that people enjoy seeing him interviewed on it. There is such a thing as "over the hill" and even "lost all one's marbles", you know.

Chip

Hmmm, I guess the 86 or so researchers who presented papers at last years International Conference on Cold Fusion must of lost their marbles too.

<a href="http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00210/Cfc/Histry/ICCF/iccf9cont.htm" target="_blank">http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00210/Cfc/Histry/ICCF/iccf9cont.htm</a>

Gauge Boson

I'm wary of what he has to say these days. He's been dabbling in zero-point energy and stuff, too. Keep in mind that he is a science fiction writer, not a scientist. That is an argument from authority because he is not an expert in the field. Besides, even if he were a scientist, it's a general rule that no idea is so ridiculous that a Ph.D. scientist cannot be found to vouch for it.

All alleged data supporting cold fusion falls into one of five categories:
1. Demonstrated fraudulent (e.g., P&F claiming 200_W out for every 1_W in).
2. Not made available for scrutiny (e.g., P&F witholding their experimental setup).
3. Impossible to reproduce by anyone who lacks a vested interest (usually financial) in cold fusion (this is the most common, I think). These results are impossible to reproduce at most cold fusion labs, too.
4. Demonstrated to be otherwise innacurate (e.g., poor experimental setup).
5. The result is below the limit of detectability. In other words, the results are not statistically significant.

One of the most obvious warnings that something is nonsense is that a massive conspiracy to suppress it is claimed. Which is more plausible: massive, elaborate, ultra-secure, worldwide superconspiracy with no plausible motive; or cold fusion (as far as we know, a violation of nuclear physics) doesn't work and is simply promoted by dupes and people with a financial stake in promoting it? If the consipracy is so powerful, why didn't 'they' stop the alleged documentary? If cold fusion proponents can actually cause cold fusion, why haven't they already become billionaires from selling it? Unless, of course, you think almost every potential consumer in the world is part of the conspiracy.

Nobody would be happier than me if cold fusion worked. It would instantly ween us for our addiction to oil, for example. But the evidence against cold fusion far outweighs the evidence for it.

BTW, has anyone noticed that these consiracy claims are almost identical to those of other free-energy hucksters? Kinda like Dennis Lee's conspiracy claims, just without the 'message from God' stuff.