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Old 07-27-2003, 12:35 PM   #21
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My map identifies Scotland as part of the UK since 1707, and my encyclopedia identifies the Scottish people as branching from Ireland in the 500's.

Semantically, I thought "British" equates with "English". Is this incorrect? You agree that the Irish are not British - why would it different for the Scottish?

My impression is that the Scots are very proud and independant - I would be surprised to learn that they consider themselves British.
You're under a slight misconception. England is an individual country. Along with Scotland and Wales, it forms the largest of the British Isles, which is commonly called Great Britain, and which was historically called Albion. Great British itself is part of the United Kingdom, which includes all of the other UK territories such as Northern Ireland, the Falkland Islands and Bermuda.

I am English, and I am also British. People from Scotland are also British, but most would highly offended if you called them "English", and many would not use "British" because of the implied lack of independence. I don't actually know whether people from Northern Ireland use the term "British", but I would imagine that only the most fervent loyalists would use such a term.
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Edited because the above post said it better.
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Old 07-27-2003, 12:48 PM   #23
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Then what do the Brits call jam?

Come to think of it, I don't know what the difference between jelly and jam is, anyway. So nevermind.

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I think jelly is thinner and more spreadable, while jam is more like a thick fruit paste than a soft, squishy jelly.

I might just be making that up, but that's what I always thought the difference was.
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Old 07-27-2003, 01:46 PM   #24
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Okay, I think I understand. The inhabitants of the British Isles are all British - this includes the English, the Scottish, and the Irish - but they are all not necessarily happy about it. It's not clear to me whether the Falklanders for example are considered British, but I imagine they are not.

If my misconception is clearing up, then I thank you.
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Britain = Great Britain = England + Scotland + Wales.
United Kingdom (now) = Britain + Northern Ireland
United Kingdom (until 1922) = Britain + Ireland
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Old 07-27-2003, 04:21 PM   #26
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Okay, I think I understand. The inhabitants of the British Isles are all British - this includes the English, the Scottish, and the Irish - but they are all not necessarily happy about it. It's not clear to me whether the Falklanders for example are considered British, but I imagine they are not.

If my misconception is clearing up, then I thank you.
You're getting there.

First off, I wouldn't use "British" to describe the Irish, in general. It's probably the case that even hardline NI unionists don't necessarily self-identify as "British", and people from the Republic would get as annoyed about being considered "British" as, say, a Canadian would about being taken for a citizen of the USA.

As far as dependencies go, you'd think it would be like that; but from what I've seen, inhabitants of the Falklands, Gibraltar and so on are as fervently "British" as they come. Sure, they don't want British weather or taxes, but they definitely don't consider themselves "locals" either - just try suggesting that Britain should cede their islands back to Argentina/Spain/whoever is closest!
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As long as we've terminally strayed from anything humorous:
Jam, in the USA, has mushed-up pieces of fruit in it.
Jelly is made from strained fruit juice.
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I've always wondered how they managed to spread colonies around the globe and greatly influence world affairs, yet failed to subdue the Scots, right there in their own backyard.
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The Scots were and are British and they took a major part in the creation of the empire.
Yes they had to go and do all the actual fighting
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