randman

<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1409.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1409.asp</a>

"The one chart that would most interest students—a chart showing all of the relevant fossil material mentioned above—is not to be found anywhere. By this type of omission, the true nature of the human fossil record continues to be the best-kept secret in modern paleoanthropology."

It does seem that a chart showing all of the hominid fossils found with respective dates and pictures isn't too much to ask for. The fact that charts and such are continually used by evolutionists to indoctrinate students without giving the students the relative data is one of the main reasons people like me doubt evolutionist claims.
Before someone goes off trying to simply win an argument, please read the article, and address the overall point about the data. I think it is high time that such charts showing all of the fossils found related to ideas in human evolution be clearly and easily shown, including the various debates on the fossils.
Is it so hard for evolutionists and textbooks to provide this data so that students can think about it for themsleves instead of just stating a conclusion without giving the actual data?

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Kevin Dorner

I don't see the text you indicated anywhere in the link you gave of <a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/459.asp." target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/459.asp.</a> Perhaps this was left over from your last cut'n'paste.

Amen-Moses

Not really much of a secret when they put them on show in museums for everyone to see, have you tried looking in a museum?

Amen-Moses

notto

<a href="http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/disp.html" target="_blank">http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/disp.html</a>

<a href="http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/evol.html#chart" target="_blank">http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/evol.html#chart</a>

<a href="http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/homofs.html" target="_blank">http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/homofs.html</a>

randman

Sorry about the wrong link. Should be corrected.]
By the way, the issue is not that some fossils are shown, but that a complete chart of all the fossils are not shown, and students are thus asked to accept at face value the chart and ideas presented without really getting the data.
This is what is wrong with the way it is taught, and would be corrected if critics suggestions and points were included in curriculums.
Read the article. It makes a very good point.

liquid

Wow... randman making a definitive statement! I'd applaud, if there was a graemlin for it!

Jesse

Here are some online charts I know of:



(from <a href="http://www2.mc.maricopa.edu/anthro/learning/origins/hominid_journey/timeline.html" target="_blank">http://www2.mc.maricopa.edu/anthro/learning/origins/hominid_journey/timeline.html</A> )



(from <a href="http://ethomas.web.wesleyan.edu/scie639/lect12.htm" target="_blank">http://ethomas.web.wesleyan.edu/scie639/lect12.htm</A> )



(from <a href="http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html" target="_blank">http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html</A> )

Chart showing changes in cranial capacity over time:



(from <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/280/5370/1714" target="_blank">http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/280/5370/1714</A> )

Oolon Colluphid

And if you follow the link below that nice black chart, you can click on it to see pictures of the fossils in question, and lots of details about them.

Off you go then....

Oolon

Corwin

*shrugs*

It's a fair cop.

notto

This can be said about the majoring of content taught in highschool. Material taught in the short time in high school for all subjects is taken from and condensed down from research and data related to the topics at hand (history, physics, biology, earth sciences, etc).

While the exercise in the article may cast unncessary doubt on evolutionary theory, it does not in any way support any other theory. There is no other theory that can be supported by the evidence discussed in the article. The bones are old. The bones show change over time. The bones show that man has undergone huge changes over time. This is the general concept that high schoolers need to understand and this concept is well supported and well documented.